State of the Union Address

haymarket said:

NO. You error was claiming the double taxation regarding capital gains. Just go back yesterday and reread all your posts and the response you got and then you finally fessed up and admitted your error. So today its a new day and a new meme and a new error for you. And the sun sets in the west tonight in other breaking news.

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Yes, you focus on the error and ignore the rest of the substance. That is what happens with liberals who are always looking for the gotcha moment. I am still waiting for how those IOU's are going to be funded and what that does to inflation?

TheNextEra said:

I accept wars cost money and lives that is why war should be the LAST resort used only in DIRECT defense of the United States. Not for some **** like we went into with Iraq. How does a bogus invasion show value for life? Hint, it doesn't.

Sorry, but you really need to grow up and stop playing "victim" because the govt. asks you to pay what you can afford.

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The govt. doesn't give a damn what i can afford nor do they have a clue as to what my financial obligations are. I am not a victim, you are, a victim of misinformation and false promises. It isn't the Federal government's responsibility to pay for your personal responsibility issues. You have been brainwashed by liberal rhetoric that appeals to your heart by by-passing your brain.

The following is projections of Non-Taxpayers for 2011



I want to make clear that there is difference between PAY NO TAXES and PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX (FIT). ALL INDIVIDUAL who receive a W-2 form each year will show two forms of taxes that EVERY TAXPAYER MUST PAY regardless of their income. Those are SOCIAL SECURITY and MEDICARE contributions deducted from payrolls.

TurtleDude and Conservative and some others in this forum constantly complain about either the 47%'ers or "half the taxpayers" PAY NO TAXES and that claim is distorted and an inaccurate claim.

So, lets get down to the nitty-gritty, shall we? Who are these mysterious people who "allegedly - and using TD's term" don't pay taxes -- besides roughly half of the United States' taxpaying population?

More importantly, how do they manage to do it?

• 31 Percent of nonpaying American households making $10,000 or less per year in 2010. An American household of any size making this amount of money, including just one person, is automatically under the poverty threshold.
  
  61 Percent of nonpaying American households making $20,000 or less per year.
  
  87 Percent of nonpaying American households making $40,000 or less per year.
  
  MORE INFORMATION AND FACTS
  
  $22,050 is the amount that he U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' 2009 use to define the poverty threshold, for a family with two children living in the 48 contiguous states or the District of Columbia.
  
  1964: The last year the minimum standard of living defined as below the poverty level was updated, for the purpose of government definitions. A number of things that are required by job-seekers and at-home workers, and that are considered vital parts of American life now, were not included because they did not exist -- things such as computers, cellphones, and Internet access.
  
  One proposal for what the poverty line at $29,600 for a family of four should be reset to, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The proposal corrects for a number of statistical quirks in the original, including the assumption that all senior citizens would eat less.
  
  $11,500 is the standard income tax deduction for a married couple with two children. The deduction is $9,500 for a couple and $1,000 for each child, as of the tax law change in 2003.
  
  $5,036 is the allowed Earned Income Tax Credit granted to a family with two children, according to the 2010 IRS 1040 form. The EITC is a tax break granted to people who work for a living, which grants substantially more to families with children.
  
  16.3 Percent of their incomes that the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid in all forms of taxes combined, on average, in 2010. Some taxes, like state, local, sales, and payroll taxes, take a larger percentage of poor people's income than they do the top 1 percent's.
  
  26.9 Percent of America's net worth owned by the entire bottom 90 percent of American earners, including home equity.

NOBODY IN AMERICA ESCAPES PAYING TAXES OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER


1. Accounts Receivable Tax

2. Accounting and Tax Preparation fees (cost to taxpayers $300 billion)

3. Accumulated Earnings Tax

4. Accumulation Distribution of Trusts

5. Activity Fee (Dumping Permit Fee)

6. Air Tax (PA coin-operated vacuums)

7. Aircraft Jet Fuel Tax

8. Aircraft Excise Tax

9. Alcohol Fuels Tax

10. Alcoholic Beverage Tax

11. Alternative Minimum Tax – Amt

12. Ambulance Services (Air Ambulance Services, SD)

13. Ammunition Tax

14. Amusement Tax (MA, VA, MD)

15. Annual Custodial Fees (Ira Accounts)

16. Ballast Water Management Fee (Marine Invasive Species)

17. Biodiesel Fuel Tax

18. Blueberry Tax (Maine)

19. Bribe Taxes (Pay If You Dare)

20. Brothel licensing fees (NV – $35,000.00 per year per brothel)

21. Building Permit Tax

22. Capital Gains Tax

23. California Interstate User Diesel Fuel Tax

24. California Redemption Value (Can and Bottle Tax)

25. CDL License Tax

26. Charter Boat Captain License

27. Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee

28. Cigarette Tax

29. Cigarette Tax Stamp (Acts) (Distributors)

30. Compressed Natural Gas Tax

31. Commercial Activity Tax (OH – for Service Providers)

32. Corporate Income Tax

33. Court Fines (Indirect Taxes)

34. Disposable Diapers Tax (Wisconsin)

35. Disposal Fee (Any Landfill Dumping)

36. Dog License Tax

37. Electronic Waste Recycling Fee (E-Waste)

38. Emergency Telephone User Surcharge

39. Environmental Fee (CA – HazMat Fees)

40. Estate Tax (Death Tax, to be reinstated)

41. Excise Taxes

42. Facility Fee (CA – HazMat Fees)

43. FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits)

44. Federal Income Tax

45. Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

46. Fiduciary Income Tax (Estates and Trusts)

47. Fishing License Tax

48. Flush Tax (MD Tax For Producing Wastewater)

49. Food License Tax

50. Fountain Soda Drink Tax (Chicago – 9%)

51. Franchise Tax

52. Fresh Fruit (CA, if Purchased From A Vending Machine)

53. Fuel Permit Tax

54. Fur Clothing Tax (MN)

55. Garbage Tax

56. Gasoline Tax (44.75 Cents Per Gallon)

57. Generation-Skipping Transfer Tax

58. Generator Fee (Recycled Waste Fee)

59. Gift Tax

60. Gross Receipts Tax

61. Hamburger Tax (Ask Huckabee)

62. Hazardous Substances Fees: Generator, Facility, Disposal

63. Household Employment Taxes

64. Hunting License Tax

65. Illegal Drug Possession (No. Carolina)

66. Inheritance Tax

67. Insect Control Hazardous Materials License

68. Insurance Premium Tax

69. Intangible Tax (Leases Of Govt. Owned Real Property)

70. Integrated Waste Management Fee

71. Interstate User Diesel Fuel Tax

72. Inventory Tax

73. IRA Rollover Tax (a transfer of IRA money)

74. IRA Early Withdrawl Tax

75. IRS Interest Charges

76. IRS Penalties (Tax On Top Of Tax)

77. Jock Tax (income earned by athletes in some states)

78. Kerosene, Distillate, & Stove Oil Taxes

79. Kiddie Tax (Child’s Earned Interest Form 8615)

80. Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee (Occupational)

81. Lease Severance Tax

82. Liquid Natural Gas Tax

83. Liquid Petroleum Gas Tax

84. Liquor Tax

85. Litigation Tax (TN Imposes Varies With the Offense)

86. LLC/PLLC Registration Tax

87. Local Income Tax

88. Lodging Taxes

89. Lump-Sum Distributions

90. Luxury Taxes

91. Make-Up Tax (Ohio, applying in a salon is taxable)

92. Marriage License Tax

93. Meal Tax

94. Medicare Tax

95. Mello-Roos Taxes (Special Taxes and Assessments)

96. Minnow Dealers License (Retail – For One Shop)

97. Minnow Dealers License (Distributor – For One+ Shops)

98. Mobile Home Ad Valorem Taxes

99. Motor Fuel Tax (For Suppliers)

100. Music and Dramatic Performing Rights Tax

101. Nudity Tax (Utah)

102. Occupation Tax (Various Professional Fees)

103. Oil and Gas Assessment Tax

104. Oil Spill Response, Prevention, And Administration Fee

105. Pass-Through Withholding

106. Pay-Phone Calls Tax (Indiana)

107. Personal Property Tax

108. Personal Holding Company (undistributed earnings)

109. Pest Control License

110. Petroleum Business Tax

111. Playing Card Tax (Al)

112. Pole Tax (TX – A $5 Cover Charge On Strip Clubs)

113. Profit from Illegal Drug Dealing

114. Property Tax

115. Prostitution Tax (NV – Prostitute Work Permits)

116. Rain Water Tax (Runoff after a Storm)

117. Real Estate Tax

118. Recreational Vehicle Tax

119. Road Usage Tax

120. Room Tax (Hotel Rooms)

121. Sales Tax (State)

122. Sales Tax (City)

123. Sales And Use Tax (Sellers Permit)

124. School Tax

125. Service Charge Tax

126. Self Employment Tax

127. Sex Sales Tax (UT, when nude people perform services)

128. Sewer & Water Tax

129. Social Security Tax

130. Sparkler and Novelties Tax (WV Sellers of Sparklers, etc.)

131. Special Assessment Tax (Not Ad Valorem)

132. State Documentary Stamp Tax on Notes (FL RE Tax)

133. State Franchise Tax

134. State Income Tax

135. State Park Fees

136. State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

137. Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) Fuel Tax

138. Stud Fees (Kentucky's Thoroughbred Sex Tax)

139. Tangible Personal Property Tax

140. Tattoo Tax (AR Tax On Tattoos)

141. Telephone Federal Excise Tax

142. Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax

143. Telephone Federal Surcharge Taxes

144. Telephone State Surcharge Taxes

145. Telephone Local Surcharge Taxes

146. Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

147. Telephone Recurring Charges Tax

148. Telephone Non-Recurring Charges Tax

149. Telephone State Usage Charge Tax

150. Telephone Local Usage Charge Tax

151. Tire Recycling Fee

152. Tobacco Tax (Cigar, Pipe, Consumer Tax)

153. Tobacco Tax (Cigar, Pipe, Dealer Tax)

154. Toll Road Tax

155. Toll Bridge Tax

156. Toll Tunnel Tax

157. Tourism or Concession License Fee

158. Traffic Fines (Indirect Taxation)

159. Transportable Treatment Unit Fee (Small Facility)

160. Trailer Registration Tax

161. Trout Stamp (Addendum To Fish License)

162. Use Taxes (On Out-Of-State Purchases)

163. Utility Taxes

164. Unemployment Tax

165. Underground Storage Tank Maintenance Fee

166. Underpayment of Estimated Tax (Form 2210)

167. Unreported Tip Income (Social Security and Medicare Tax)

168. Vehicle License

169. Registration Tax

170. Vehicle Sales Tax

171. Wagering Tax (Tax on Gambling Winnings)

172. Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) Fuel Tax

173. Water Rights Fee

174. Watercraft Registration Tax

175. Waterfowl Stamp Tax

176. Well Permit Tax

177. Workers Compensation Tax

JUST TO NAME A FEW WAYS WE'RE TAXED....

STAY TUNED TO MY NEXT POST for more on why people don't Federal Income Tax.

That was a heckuva State of the Campaign address.

Removable Mind said:

The following is projections of Non-Taxpayers for 2011

I want to make clear that there is difference between PAY NO TAXES and PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX (FIT). ALL INDIVIDUAL who receive a W-2 form each year will show two forms of taxes that EVERY TAXPAYER MUST PAY regardless of their income. Those are SOCIAL SECURITY and MEDICARE contributions deducted from payrolls.

TurtleDude and Conservative and some others in this forum constantly complain about either the 47%'ers or "half the taxpayers" PAY NO TAXES and that claim is distorted and an inaccurate claim.

So, lets get down to the nitty-gritty, shall we? Who are these mysterious people who "allegedly - and using TD's term" don't pay taxes -- besides roughly half of the United States' taxpaying population?

More importantly, how do they manage to do it?

• 31 Percent of nonpaying American households making $10,000 or less per year in 2010. An American household of any size making this amount of money, including just one person, is automatically under the poverty threshold.
  
  61 Percent of nonpaying American households making $20,000 or less per year.
  
  87 Percent of nonpaying American households making $40,000 or less per year.
  
  MORE INFORMATION AND FACTS
  
  $22,050 is the amount that he U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' 2009 use to define the poverty threshold, for a family with two children living in the 48 contiguous states or the District of Columbia.
  
  1964: The last year the minimum standard of living defined as below the poverty level was updated, for the purpose of government definitions. A number of things that are required by job-seekers and at-home workers, and that are considered vital parts of American life now, were not included because they did not exist -- things such as computers, cellphones, and Internet access.
  
  One proposal for what the poverty line at $29,600 for a family of four should be reset to, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The proposal corrects for a number of statistical quirks in the original, including the assumption that all senior citizens would eat less.
  
  $11,500 is the standard income tax deduction for a married couple with two children. The deduction is $9,500 for a couple and $1,000 for each child, as of the tax law change in 2003.
  
  $5,036 is the allowed Earned Income Tax Credit granted to a family with two children, according to the 2010 IRS 1040 form. The EITC is a tax break granted to people who work for a living, which grants substantially more to families with children.
  
  16.3 Percent of their incomes that the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid in all forms of taxes combined, on average, in 2010. Some taxes, like state, local, sales, and payroll taxes, take a larger percentage of poor people's income than they do the top 1 percent's.
  
  26.9 Percent of America's net worth owned by the entire bottom 90 percent of American earners, including home equity.

NOBODY IN AMERICA ESCAPES PAYING TAXES OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER


1. Accounts Receivable Tax

2. Accounting and Tax Preparation fees (cost to taxpayers $300 billion)

3. Accumulated Earnings Tax

4. Accumulation Distribution of Trusts

5. Activity Fee (Dumping Permit Fee)

6. Air Tax (PA coin-operated vacuums)

7. Aircraft Jet Fuel Tax

8. Aircraft Excise Tax

9. Alcohol Fuels Tax

10. Alcoholic Beverage Tax

11. Alternative Minimum Tax – Amt

12. Ambulance Services (Air Ambulance Services, SD)

13. Ammunition Tax

14. Amusement Tax (MA, VA, MD)

15. Annual Custodial Fees (Ira Accounts)

16. Ballast Water Management Fee (Marine Invasive Species)

17. Biodiesel Fuel Tax

18. Blueberry Tax (Maine)

19. Bribe Taxes (Pay If You Dare)

20. Brothel licensing fees (NV – $35,000.00 per year per brothel)

21. Building Permit Tax

22. Capital Gains Tax

23. California Interstate User Diesel Fuel Tax

24. California Redemption Value (Can and Bottle Tax)

25. CDL License Tax

26. Charter Boat Captain License

27. Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee

28. Cigarette Tax

29. Cigarette Tax Stamp (Acts) (Distributors)

30. Compressed Natural Gas Tax

31. Commercial Activity Tax (OH – for Service Providers)

32. Corporate Income Tax

33. Court Fines (Indirect Taxes)

34. Disposable Diapers Tax (Wisconsin)

35. Disposal Fee (Any Landfill Dumping)

36. Dog License Tax

37. Electronic Waste Recycling Fee (E-Waste)

38. Emergency Telephone User Surcharge

39. Environmental Fee (CA – HazMat Fees)

40. Estate Tax (Death Tax, to be reinstated)

41. Excise Taxes

42. Facility Fee (CA – HazMat Fees)

43. FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits)

44. Federal Income Tax

45. Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

46. Fiduciary Income Tax (Estates and Trusts)

47. Fishing License Tax

48. Flush Tax (MD Tax For Producing Wastewater)

49. Food License Tax

50. Fountain Soda Drink Tax (Chicago – 9%)

51. Franchise Tax

52. Fresh Fruit (CA, if Purchased From A Vending Machine)

53. Fuel Permit Tax

54. Fur Clothing Tax (MN)

55. Garbage Tax

56. Gasoline Tax (44.75 Cents Per Gallon)

57. Generation-Skipping Transfer Tax

58. Generator Fee (Recycled Waste Fee)

59. Gift Tax

60. Gross Receipts Tax

61. Hamburger Tax (Ask Huckabee)

62. Hazardous Substances Fees: Generator, Facility, Disposal

63. Household Employment Taxes

64. Hunting License Tax

65. Illegal Drug Possession (No. Carolina)

66. Inheritance Tax

67. Insect Control Hazardous Materials License

68. Insurance Premium Tax

69. Intangible Tax (Leases Of Govt. Owned Real Property)

70. Integrated Waste Management Fee

71. Interstate User Diesel Fuel Tax

72. Inventory Tax

73. IRA Rollover Tax (a transfer of IRA money)

74. IRA Early Withdrawl Tax

75. IRS Interest Charges

76. IRS Penalties (Tax On Top Of Tax)

77. Jock Tax (income earned by athletes in some states)

78. Kerosene, Distillate, & Stove Oil Taxes

79. Kiddie Tax (Child’s Earned Interest Form 8615)

80. Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee (Occupational)

81. Lease Severance Tax

82. Liquid Natural Gas Tax

83. Liquid Petroleum Gas Tax

84. Liquor Tax

85. Litigation Tax (TN Imposes Varies With the Offense)

86. LLC/PLLC Registration Tax

87. Local Income Tax

88. Lodging Taxes

89. Lump-Sum Distributions

90. Luxury Taxes

91. Make-Up Tax (Ohio, applying in a salon is taxable)

92. Marriage License Tax

93. Meal Tax

94. Medicare Tax

95. Mello-Roos Taxes (Special Taxes and Assessments)

96. Minnow Dealers License (Retail – For One Shop)

97. Minnow Dealers License (Distributor – For One+ Shops)

98. Mobile Home Ad Valorem Taxes

99. Motor Fuel Tax (For Suppliers)

100. Music and Dramatic Performing Rights Tax

101. Nudity Tax (Utah)

102. Occupation Tax (Various Professional Fees)

103. Oil and Gas Assessment Tax

104. Oil Spill Response, Prevention, And Administration Fee

105. Pass-Through Withholding

106. Pay-Phone Calls Tax (Indiana)

107. Personal Property Tax

108. Personal Holding Company (undistributed earnings)

109. Pest Control License

110. Petroleum Business Tax

111. Playing Card Tax (Al)

112. Pole Tax (TX – A $5 Cover Charge On Strip Clubs)

113. Profit from Illegal Drug Dealing

114. Property Tax

115. Prostitution Tax (NV – Prostitute Work Permits)

116. Rain Water Tax (Runoff after a Storm)

117. Real Estate Tax

118. Recreational Vehicle Tax

119. Road Usage Tax

120. Room Tax (Hotel Rooms)

121. Sales Tax (State)

122. Sales Tax (City)

123. Sales And Use Tax (Sellers Permit)

124. School Tax

125. Service Charge Tax

126. Self Employment Tax

127. Sex Sales Tax (UT, when nude people perform services)

128. Sewer & Water Tax

129. Social Security Tax

130. Sparkler and Novelties Tax (WV Sellers of Sparklers, etc.)

131. Special Assessment Tax (Not Ad Valorem)

132. State Documentary Stamp Tax on Notes (FL RE Tax)

133. State Franchise Tax

134. State Income Tax

135. State Park Fees

136. State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

137. Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) Fuel Tax

138. Stud Fees (Kentucky's Thoroughbred Sex Tax)

139. Tangible Personal Property Tax

140. Tattoo Tax (AR Tax On Tattoos)

141. Telephone Federal Excise Tax

142. Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax

143. Telephone Federal Surcharge Taxes

144. Telephone State Surcharge Taxes

145. Telephone Local Surcharge Taxes

146. Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

147. Telephone Recurring Charges Tax

148. Telephone Non-Recurring Charges Tax

149. Telephone State Usage Charge Tax

150. Telephone Local Usage Charge Tax

151. Tire Recycling Fee

152. Tobacco Tax (Cigar, Pipe, Consumer Tax)

153. Tobacco Tax (Cigar, Pipe, Dealer Tax)

154. Toll Road Tax

155. Toll Bridge Tax

156. Toll Tunnel Tax

157. Tourism or Concession License Fee

158. Traffic Fines (Indirect Taxation)

159. Transportable Treatment Unit Fee (Small Facility)

160. Trailer Registration Tax

161. Trout Stamp (Addendum To Fish License)

162. Use Taxes (On Out-Of-State Purchases)

163. Utility Taxes

164. Unemployment Tax

165. Underground Storage Tank Maintenance Fee

166. Underpayment of Estimated Tax (Form 2210)

167. Unreported Tip Income (Social Security and Medicare Tax)

168. Vehicle License

169. Registration Tax

170. Vehicle Sales Tax

171. Wagering Tax (Tax on Gambling Winnings)

172. Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) Fuel Tax

173. Water Rights Fee

174. Watercraft Registration Tax

175. Waterfowl Stamp Tax

176. Well Permit Tax

177. Workers Compensation Tax

JUST TO NAME A FEW WAYS WE'RE TAXED....

STAY TUNED TO MY NEXT POST for more on why people don't Federal Income Tax.

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What seems to be total ignorance and distortion is the statement that I said that 47% of the people pay no taxes when the reality is I accurately stated that 47% of the income earning households pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. You seem to like far too many, brainwashed into the liberal belief that all money goes into one pot and that specific taxes for specific purposes is irrelevant. The unified budget process has been sold to people like you.

Every tax you listed is a use tax. Please learn what FIT funds and then ask yourself why any income earning family doesn't pay something in FIT. Stop reading what you want to believe and look at what was actually posted. Complete distortion is the act of a desparate liberal.

Erod said:

That was a heckuva State of the Campaign address.

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He has had a lot of practice at it, he started campaigning for the office he now holds the day he took his job in the State Senate of Illinois and hasn't stopped since. This campaigner in chief has fooled a lot of people with is campaign rhetoric, too bad these people ignore the failed results.

Conservative said:

Yes, you focus on the error and ignore the rest of the substance. That is what happens with liberals who are always looking for the gotcha moment. I am still waiting for how those IOU's are going to be funded and what that does to inflation?

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When the substance is in fundamental error, there is nothing left to focus upon.

Conservative said:

What seems to be total ignorance and distortion is the statement that I said that 47% of the people pay no taxes when the reality is I accurately stated that 47% of the income earning households pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. You seem to like far too many, brainwashed into the liberal belief that all money goes into one pot and that specific taxes for specific purposes is irrelevant. The unified budget process has been sold to people like you.

Every tax you listed is a use tax. Please learn what FIT funds and then ask yourself why any income earning family doesn't pay something in FIT. Stop reading what you want to believe and look at what was actually posted. Complete distortion is the act of a desparate liberal.

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WHO isn't paying FIT? And why?

Conservative said:

What seems to be total ignorance and distortion is the statement that I said that 47% of the people pay no taxes when the reality is I accurately stated that 47% of the income earning households pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES.

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So they get to keep more of what they earn and are likely to spend. Is that a problem?

haymarket said:

When the substance is in fundamental error, there is nothing left to focus upon.

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The focus should be on the cost to the American people for having 2.5 trillion dollars in unfunded IOU's

Conservative said:

The focus should be on the cost to the American people for having 2.5 trillion dollars in unfunded IOU's

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Why should that claim be the focus?

Removable Mind said:

WHO isn't paying FIT? And why?

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People taking advantage of current U.S. tax laws and deductions. For those that believe we have a revenue problem, that is where you start to look for more revenue, not to those already paying most of the FIT now.

I believe we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem and you cannot address the deficit until you first address spending. Politicians always need to buy votes to keep their jobs so they do it by spending. Anyone that thinks more revenue is going to solve the problem is naive, gullible, and borders on being an idiot.

Conservative said:

He has had a lot of practice at it, he started campaigning for the office he now holds the day he took his job in the State Senate of Illinois and hasn't stopped since. This campaigner in chief has fooled a lot of people with is campaign rhetoric, too bad these people ignore the failed results.

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Many on the opposite side were determined he failed even before he took office and began the campaing against him the day after the election.

haymarket said:

Why should that claim be the focus?

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because it is the heart of the problem, SS and Medicare money put on budget to fund programs those taxes were never supposed to fund as part of a unified budget

haymarket said:

Many on the opposite side were determined he failed even before he took office and began the campaing against him the day after the election.

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That is your opinion, he got 52% of the vote and had an approval rating of over 70% before people saw what he was going to implement. It is his policies that have been a failure and that is what you want to ignore.

Conservative said:

because it is the heart of the problem, SS and Medicare money put on budget to fund programs those taxes were never supposed to fund as part of a unified budget

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And what do you want done with SS and the legal obligations of the government to the people in the program?

Conservative said:

That is your opinion, he got 52% of the vote and had an approval rating of over 70% before people saw what he was going to implement. It is his policies that have been a failure and that is what you want to ignore.

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It is not my opinion. It is fact from the historical record.

One of the leading voices for Republicans

Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Conservative said:

The focus should be on the cost to the American people for having 2.5 trillion dollars in unfunded IOU's

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PLEASE NOTE...I stated the following: NOBODY IN AMERICA ESCAPES PAYING TAXES OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER That was followed by a list of very 170 ways the government gets into our pockets, and applies to the poor to the rich.

But you love making your arguments all about mostly "poor" people who you say live off the system don't pay their fair share of...LETS SAY "FEDERAL INCOME TAX".

All Americans...everybody is taxed in one way or another...period.

If they weren't paying, your government would be out of street corners begging for money.

haymarket said:

And what do you want done with SS and the legal obligations of the government to the people in the program?

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First i want SS and Medicare taken off budget and put where it belongs along with the FICA taxes that fund it. That would be a good start and then you take the ax to the rest of the budget

Removable Mind said:

PLEASE NOTE...I stated the following: NOBODY IN AMERICA ESCAPES PAYING TAXES OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER That was followed by a list of very 170 ways the government gets into our pockets, and applies to the poor to the rich.

But you love making your arguments all about mostly "poor" people who you say live off the system don't pay their fair share of...LETS SAY "FEDERAL INCOME TAX".

All Americans...everybody is taxed in one way or another...period.

If they weren't paying, your government would be out of street corners begging for money.

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Yes, people escape paying taxes all the time by changing their buying habits and actions. Don't do most of what you posted and you don't pay those taxes. How many poor people that don't drive a car pay excise taxes on gasoline? Taxes for use is a good thing and use taxes such as Gasoline taxes should be used to fund their intent, highway and bridge construction and repair.

haymarket said:

It is not my opinion. It is fact from the historical record.

One of the leading voices for Republicans

Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails - The Rush Limbaugh Show

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Limbaugh was right, Obama policies have failed

iguanaman said:

"The existence of large trust fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself, have any impact on the Government's ability to pay benefits."

I think that about covers it, thanks for the clarification.
The U.S. Govts. word is as good as gold and always will be. A truly "exceptional" nation could have it no other way.

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Do you actually expect me to rebut this obvious piece of intellectual dishonesty, or are you just pulling my leg?

Brian

Conservative said:

First i want SS and Medicare taken off budget and put where it belongs along with the FICA taxes that fund it. That would be a good start and then you take the ax to the rest of the budget

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So would you still have these funds invested in very secure special issue treasury securities or marketable treasury securities or.....?

Conservative said:

Limbaugh was right, Obama policies have failed

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Nice try at yet another in a long series of moving the goal posts.

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.

Conservative said:

I have been told that by a lot of the liberals here

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Even if you were informed of such ( I see no supporting documentation) that does not make it true.

I made a statement, unless you are a liberal that doesn't relate to you.

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Your statement was fallacious and fueled by emotion. Unless you can provide documentation.

Reagan and GHW Bush agreed to raise taxes in a deal to cut spending, we got the tax increases but not the spending cuts. Bush's agreement was 3 for 1. Did Congress ever cut the budget?

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Again please supply a source.