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State of the Union Address

AdamT said:
You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
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What's your point?
 
AdamT said:
You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
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And Obama gave significantly more Debt to the American's for programs...charitable. Always giving away other people's money.
 
AdamT said:
You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
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It doesn't matter. It's not a moral obligation to give a certain percentage of your income to charity. Charity is just what it is: voluntary giving for its own sake. I don't care if Obama gave 0%- it doesn't make him any more or any less in my eyes.
 
justabubba said:
wanted to point out the kernel of truth in your post
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So you're saying the rest of what I said isn't true?

How about you put up and actually show me which of my numbers or statements...derived directly from the source provided...was incorrect? Or more were you just trying to white wash all the stuff that wasn't good for your guy in an analysis that was actually intellectually honest and instead decided to want to provide it in your stereotypically hyperpartisan fashion?
 
Caine said:
Well.

I honestly didn't think it was that bad.
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It was decent as far as SotU's go. Was it a campaign speech? Yes. But as I said earlier...I don't blame Obama for that, its what these things have been for some time. Delivery was good, rhetoric was strong, was a decent SOTU.

There was a fair portion of it that I absolutely agreed with as well. Hell, he channeled Rick Perry's texas model when talking about jobs, channeled Newt and Huntsman on Natural Gas, channeled Huntsman again about lack of trust in government, suggested he'd sign the Newt version of the Dream Act since he stated to send him an Act that gives illegal children an oppertunity to earn their citizenship.

However at the same time, while I liked the WORDS he stated, it doesn't change my views or thoughts or expectations for the men becuase I know words are wind with this man. I remember "Changing politics as we know it" followed by using loopholes and edge skirting as soon as he was in office. I remember railing against lobbyists working in administrations...and then bringing lobbyists into his administration within weeks. I remember him demanding a tax increase go with the tax cut extension and then claiming Republicans are wanting to raise taxes if they don't go along with it. I remember rhetoric about working on a 3:1 plan of spending cuts to taxes as some grand bipartisan effort when reality was the cuts were largely 8 years down the line IF they even occured and a large chunk was made up in the end of wars that were already in the process of being ended regardless of that bill. And even during his speech that night, I see the man who proudly patted himself on the back for bailing out GM.....and then 30 minutes later lambasting the unfairness of bialouts. I saw a man who went on and on 3 years ago about being a united and changing partisan politics proclaiming that people who simply disagree with him on things and who HAVE put forth budgets, and health care plans, and numerous other things as being "obstructionists".

I think it was an above average SotU and that he did a fine job. There's nothing hugely wrong with the SotU. At the same time, it doens't change my opinion or expectation of the man at all. Maybe if the rhetoric matches reality this time then that will change, but only way to find that out is if it actually happens.
 
Conservative said:
Class warfare and envy is all you have. You don't hear me complaining about how much you have, wonder why? I don't give a damn, why do you care how much the top 1% makes? Do you know what they do with their money, how much they give to charity, how much they pay in local and state taxes, how much they give to their church? No, of course not, you don't care because you don't know what you are talking about. That defines liberalism to a tee.
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I care because we are all in this together and together we will fix the problems. You are creating the class envy by bowing out of the "great experiment". Our economy simply won't work with the income maldistribution we have now. We can't take more money from the middle class without crashing spending, the money we need MUST come from income not spent. That's the way it has been and it was that tax structure that helped created the greatest economy in the world. Stop biting off your nose to spite your face, a rising tide raises all boats. You will still be rich and with a stronger middle class, probably even richer.
 
iguanaman said:
I care because we are all in this together and together we will fix the problems. You are creating the class envy by bowing out of the "great experiment". Our economy simply won't work with the income maldistribution we have now. We can't take more money from the middle class without crashing spending, the money we need MUST come from income not spent. That's the way it has been and it was that tax structure that helped created the greatest economy in the world. Stop biting off your nose to spite your face, a rising tide raises all boats. You will still be rich and with a stronger middle class, probably even richer.
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If you truly cared about results you would hold this Administration accountable for their poor results and economic failures. it isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to redistribute wealth in the name of compassion for all that does is fuel career politicians and massive expansion of the Federal govt. What is the role of the state and local government in your world?

Unlike what many liberals think, I wasn't born rich, worked for everything i have and resent liberals telling me what to do with that money. How do you know what I do with my income and why should I be forced by a bureaucrat to give more of my money to a federal bureaucracy at the expense of local charities and my church?
 
Conservative said:
How do you know what I do with my income and why should I be forced by a bureaucrat to give more of my money to a federal bureaucracy at the expense of local charities and my church?
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You're not forced at all, you're free to leave the country and renounce your citizenship anytime you wish.
 
TheNextEra said:
You're not forced at all, you're free to leave the country and renounce your citizenship anytime you wish.
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As are you if you don't like capitalism and free enterprise. This country wasn't built on the vision of Barack Obama or liberalism but yours is a typical response from a liberal who cannot accept being challenged. You constantly buy rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion yet never holding liberalism for their failure in generating compassionate results. Keep ignoring how much I give to charity and to my church. Apparently that isn't spending my money the way you or the bureaucrats want.
 
Caine said:
Wrong answer.
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Actually it is the typical expected answer when you challenge a liberal and do so with logic and common sense. How can any liberal denounce giving money to local charities and the church but rather see that money going to a federal bureaucrat that spends it on what they see as necessary but ends up wasting it.
 
Conservative said:
As are you if you don't like capitalism and free enterprise. This country wasn't built on the vision of Barack Obama or liberalism but yours is a typical response from a liberal who cannot accept being challenged. You constantly buy rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion yet never holding liberalism for their failure in generating compassionate results. Keep ignoring how much I give to charity and to my church. Apparently that isn't spending my money the way you or the bureaucrats want.
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The people will decide how much you are going to give. If you don't like it, feel free to leave or work to change it. Go ahead and tell 51% of the population they have to pay more. Nuff said.
 
TheNextEra said:
The people will decide how much you are going to give. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Nuff said.
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Sounds a lot like Hitler to me, you are the one living in the wrong country because apparently you cannot compete in this one. Keep ignoring the content of the post because that content refutes liberalism. I am waiting for you to tell the group how I spend my money and what that money supports.

You apparently don't have a clue as to the role of the state, local, and then the Federal govt. Why so much faith in the Federal Govt. to solve social problems in your local community?
 
TheNextEra said:
No, it's the correct answer to those that feel they are "forced".
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You seem to judge everyone else by your own value system that seems to lack logic and common sense. Does it make sense to you to send money to the Federal Bureaucrats to have them turn around and send SOME OF IT back to my local community? You see, spending in the name of compassion is all that matters to you since you think with your heart, too bad your brain hasn't figured out that money has been wasted and has been used to buy votes to keep bureaucrats employed
 
Conservative said:
Sounds a lot like Hitler to me, you are the one living in the wrong country because apparently you cannot compete in this one. Keep ignoring the content of the post because that content refutes liberalism. I am waiting for you to tell the group how I spend my money and what that money supports.

You apparently don't have a clue as to the role of the state, local, and then the Federal govt. Why so much faith in the Federal Govt. to solve social problems in your local community?
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LOL already had to Godwin the thread with Hitler huh?

Keep spouting the rhetoric, fact is that is what the federal govt. does. I would put more faith in the government than religious organizations that believe in a sky god.
 
Conservative said:
Sounds a lot like Hitler to me, you are the one living in the wrong country because apparently you cannot compete in this one. Keep ignoring the content of the post because that content refutes liberalism. I am waiting for you to tell the group how I spend my money and what that money supports.

You apparently don't have a clue as to the role of the state, local, and then the Federal govt. Why so much faith in the Federal Govt. to solve social problems in your local community?
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Godwin's law

Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Conservative said:
You seem to judge everyone else by your own value system.....
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That's funny coming from you. You do the same thing. You think religion is logically? Thanks for the laugh.
 
TheNextEra said:
LOL already had to Godwin the thread with Hitler huh?

Keep spouting the rhetoric, fact is that is what the federal govt. does. I would put more faith in the government than religious organizations that believe in a sky god.
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I put my faith where I want to put it, you want me to put it where you believe it belongs. That is forcing your ideology on me and that seems ok with you. As long as I spend MY money where you think it should go, great but when I send MY money where I think it should go that is wrong. That defines liberalism to a tee
 
TheNextEra said:
You're not forced at all, you're free to leave the country and renounce your citizenship anytime you wish.
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Our elect representatives who support his view. He sadly minsunderstand how the government works, how it is suppose to work. We have taxsation WITH representation. That's what we fought the British for. We did not fight for no taxsation.
 
TheNextEra said:
That's funny coming from you. You do the same thing. You think religion is logically? Thanks for the laugh.
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I know where my money to the church goes, you don't seem to care where your money spent by the Federal Govt. on social programs goes but that is ok because it is all about spending in the name of compassion not compassionate results.
 
Boo Radley said:
Our elect representatives who support his view. He sadly minsunderstand how the government works, how it is suppose to work. We have taxsation WITH representation. That's what we fought the British for. We did not fight for no taxsation.
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Which representation and what is their role, local, state, Federal representation? Which one is best suited to solve local problems? Have you ever looked at the line items in the Federal Budget? You seem to believe Federal spending compassionate but local spending not so much. That is thinking with your heart not your brain.
 
MaggieD said:
42% of total revenue comes from individual income tax.

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But, since you insist that Social Security is part of income tax, well, then the total is 82%. :rofl

Karma's a bitch.

Oh, and 47% of filers pay no income tax at all. As Enola says, "Calling Doctors Google, Bing and Google...."

Here's my source: Yes, 47% of Households Owe No Taxes. Look Closer. - NYTimes.com (one of hundreds)

Where's yours?
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Not part of income taxes. Part or taxes paid.
 
Conservative said:
I put my faith where I want to put it, you want me to put it where you believe it belongs. That is forcing your ideology on me and that seems ok with you. As long as I spend MY money where you think it should go, great but when I send MY money where I think it should go that is wrong. That defines liberalism to a tee
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No, that is not liberalism, that is the govt. You don't always get to have your money spent on what YOU want. Do you think I wanted MY money spent on nation building and the Iraq War? Spare me your faigned outrage.
 
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