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State of the Union Address

Conservative said:
I look at results and how those results were generated and you buy the rhetoric ignoring the results.
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BS. You don't look at results.

By November, 2004, the Twin Towers were gone. Osama bin Laden escaped from Bush's clutch's in Tora Bora. Bush had invaded a country for no valid reason. The budget went from a 236 billion surplus to a 412 billion dollar deficit. The unemployment rate had increased 1.6 points from 4.2% to 5.8%. There were 2.2 million additional people unemployed. Bush had droped from a 90% JAR to a 51% JAR.

And you had to ignore those results to vote to give Bush 4 more years.

Hypocrite; thy name be Conservative.
 
AdamT said:
Wow, what an insightful, not at all hyperpartisan response. :thumbs:
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You forgot the patented strawman but that's headed for the DP classics anyway.:lamo
 
Conservative said:
No, the data I posted shows a net private sector job loss after three years of Obamanomics not the plus gains you are showing.
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You posted Series Id: CES0500000001 and that's what I posted, Con. I went clicked on the More Formatting Options then I chose 1-Month Net Change. Sadly, you don't know WTF you're talking about.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
BS. You don't look at results.

By November, 2004, the Twin Towers were gone. Osama bin Laden escaped from Bush's clutch's in Tora Bora. Bush had invaded a country for no valid reason. The budget went from a 236 billion surplus to a 412 billion dollar deficit. The unemployment rate had increased 1.6 points from 4.2% to 5.8%. There were 2.2 million additional people unemployed. Bush had droped from a 90% JAR to a 51% JAR.

And you had to ignore those results to vote to give Bush 4 more years.

Hypocrite; thy name be Conservative.
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Six months after 911 Bush said he no longer cared about Bin Laden, he had bigger fish to fry - Saddam Hussein. The problem was that Bush's daddy already did that. He had the sense to get out of Dodge after that.
 
pbrauer said:
You posted Series Id: CES0500000001 and that's what I posted, Con. I went clicked on the More Formatting Options then I chose 1-Month Net Change. Sadly, you don't know WTF you're talking about.
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I've asked him many times what Obama did to cause those millions to lose their job during his first few months ... as you can probably guess, he responded with his usual robospam and not an actual answer to my question -- which remains unanswered. He really doesn't have a clue to what he's talking about.

I don't know if you saw earlier, but he claimed GDP increased 4.5 trillion under Bush. When called on it, he changed his numbers to match what the BEA actually posts.
 
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Nurse Ratched gave him his Metamucil (gotta get loosed up for tomorrows hundred post)and tucked him in bed for the night.:mrgreen:
 
Conservative said:
Actually it is much easier stating you are wrong. Apparently you have no clue how the private sector works as it is results oriented and results matter a lot more than the rhetoric. That puts us at exact opposites. I look at results and how those results were generated and you buy the rhetoric ignoring the results.

Like most liberals you always want to divide people into classes. As a conservative it is very frustrating to be working so hard for people like you to keep more of what you earn. Not sure why or if you went to college but I went there with the idea of making a better life for myself and my family. I never cared what someone else has or what they pay in taxes. I always learned to celebrate success including successes of people like you if there ever was such a thing.

This country was built on rugged individualism and self reliance. There always were consequences for failure but apparently not in your world. The only thing preventing you or any other liberal for joining the top 2% is your attitude and probably work ethic. If I wanted the rest of you to go to hell, I would be supporting Obama and liberalism plus I would care if you joined those of us that have produced in upper income.
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Psst dude you just did divide people into classes. :2wave:
 
winston53660 said:
Psst dude you just did divide people into classes. :2wave:
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One of my favorite Steve Martin lines: "there are two types of people in the world; those who divide people into two types, and those who don't."
 
Conservative said:
You don't even know what that chart shows. Why don't you go to BLS and find that chart you referenced? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric which makes you look foolish.
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That would be page 4 of the BLS Current Employment Statistics..... I do know exactly what it shows, it is you that has no clue....

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Glad to see your 1-2-3 punch of non-responsiveness, insults and obfuscation (though you were more responsive this time than most). You can keep buying your Fox News rhetoric of lies and half truths...and continue posting 28,000 more posts that say nothing and show no original thought. We get it; when will you?
 
TurtleDude said:
when half the country doesn't pay income taxes but has almost enough votes to continually vote up the rates of the rest, we have a real problem

the rest of your post is idiotic
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Actually it more YOU that has a problem, and we are not voting up the rates of the "rest"........ only the top 1%.
You guys got enough freebies to last a lifetime under Bush. At least you'll have your memories, you knew it couldn't last.
 
Conservative said:
Actually it is much easier stating you are wrong. Apparently you have no clue how the private sector works as it is results oriented and results matter a lot more than the rhetoric. That puts us at exact opposites. I look at results and how those results were generated and you buy the rhetoric ignoring the results.

Like most liberals you always want to divide people into classes. As a conservative it is very frustrating to be working so hard for people like you to keep more of what you earn. Not sure why or if you went to college but I went there with the idea of making a better life for myself and my family. I never cared what someone else has or what they pay in taxes. I always learned to celebrate success including successes of people like you if there ever was such a thing.

This country was built on rugged individualism and self reliance. There always were consequences for failure but apparently not in your world. The only thing preventing you or any other liberal for joining the top 2% is your attitude and probably work ethic. If I wanted the rest of you to go to hell, I would be supporting Obama and liberalism plus I would care if you joined those of us that have produced in upper income.
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Why not celebrate the success of the middle class instead of putting those in it down? Bill Gates believes the wealthy are taxed too little also is that because of his attitude or work ethic too?
Or is it because he is "envyish" of you skinflints? Grow up and be happy for the TEMPORARY tax breaks Bush gave you, we can't afford another 900 billion for your hedge funds, poor babies.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
BS. You don't look at results.

By November, 2004, the Twin Towers were gone. Osama bin Laden escaped from Bush's clutch's in Tora Bora. Bush had invaded a country for no valid reason. The budget went from a 236 billion surplus to a 412 billion dollar deficit. The unemployment rate had increased 1.6 points from 4.2% to 5.8%. There were 2.2 million additional people unemployed. Bush had droped from a 90% JAR to a 51% JAR.

And you had to ignore those results to vote to give Bush 4 more years.

Hypocrite; thy name be Conservative.
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Guess what Sheik, it turns out that more people were put on food stamps under Bush than Obama. :lamo:lamo

FactCheck.org : Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim

Newt Gingrich claims that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” He’s wrong. More were added under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures.
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I dunno, I wasn't born 30 years ago, it wasn't my responsibility.
Not debts incurred without my consent, no they aren't mine.
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So you have no respect for the full faith and credit of the United States of America?
 
Conservative said:
Try collecting 2.5 trillion in IOU's and see how that works out for you. Amazing that you would continue to support the failures of liberalism
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You really have no concept of money, how it is used and the different forms it can take do you?
 
Catawba said:
You still dishonestly refuse to acknowledge that income taxes make up less than half of federal revenues. Only 14% of the country pay no federal taxes, and they are our poor seniors and the disabled.

Just what kind of party is it that would impose greater hardship on poor seniors and the disabled to further lower the taxes for the rich?
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nothing dishonest there -the dishonesty is you and a couple other extremists who pretend that non-progressive taxes such as sales taxes on the state level or the pseudo tax called FICA is supposed to be progresssive.

and your appeal to emotobabble ignores the obvious conclusions of your rant-using that "logic" you can justify the rich paying everyone's FICA and other taxes.

Wrapped up in your ranting is your assumption that the current levels of spending are proper and have to be maintained and thus only the rich should have to continue to pay more and more and more to keep those levels up
 
Conservative said:
What exactly does that mean? So it is backed meaning that the people will get the dollars associated with the obligations owed them, the question is however what will those dollars be worth?
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Actually that is an entirely separate question from the government honor its its debts and obligations to the citizens of the USA.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually it more YOU that has a problem, and we are not voting up the rates of the "rest"........ only the top 1%.
You guys got enough freebies to last a lifetime under Bush. At least you'll have your memories, you knew it couldn't last.
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what moronic nonsense. its people like you who have to pay more so you learn that if you want more government its time you pay more for it rather than demanding others continue to be taxed to pay for your wants
 
Hmm, seems to me that he has some company from the far left
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You were at least born and had a chance at having a say.
The comparison is not equivalent.

I, nor anyone else in my generation had a say.
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You have never voted or had the opportunity to vote?
 
TurtleDude said:
nothing dishonest there -the dishonesty is you and a couple other extremists who pretend that non-progressive taxes such as sales taxes on the state level or the pseudo tax called FICA is supposed to be progresssive.
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Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA is suppose to be progressive?
 
haymarket said:
Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA is suppose to be progressive?
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its an obvious conclusion when people try to incorporate those taxes into claims that the poor pay X amount of their income in taxes and that the total tax system is "not progressive enough"
 
TurtleDude said:
its an obvious conclusion when people try to incorporate those taxes into claims that the poor pay X amount of their income in taxes and that the total tax system is "not progressive enough"
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Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA are suppose to be progressive?
 
haymarket said:
Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA are suppose to be progressive?
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If you are unable to understand the obvious --that if someone is whining the "system needs to be more progressive" or that if they are whining that all taxes combined leads to less progressivity than they want I really cannot make it any clearer
 
TurtleDude said:
If you are unable to understand the obvious --that if someone is whining the "system needs to be more progressive" or that if they are whining that all taxes combined leads to less progressivity than they want I really cannot make it any clearer
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Quite frankly - I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of you making statements about what others believe or have said and they you come up completely impotent to show where they said what you claim they did. And you just did it twice more.

So I ask you again Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA are suppose to be progressive?. Not your perversion of what you think they believe. Not your twists and turns turning their ideas into something else. Not your skewed interpretation of what you think they might support or mean. A simple quote will do.
 
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