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State of the Union Address

Sheik Yerbuti said:
But that was years earlier when Democrats weren't even in charge of the Congress. You pointed out how the unemployment rate went from 4.6% to 7.8% between the time they took over and the time Obama took over ...

Well ... how was that their fault? Blaming a member of the minority party who did not have any power to stop the Republican party in charge from pushing forward with their agenda is not going to cut it. What bills did Democrats pass or what bills did they fail to pass that you believe caused the recession?

Republicans were in charge ... how is it not their fault?? Weren't they the ones running the country??
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Please point out where they had a super majority and could go around the Democrat Obstructionists? The best they could get past was Sarbanes/Oxley and we can now look back and see just how effective that was. Fact is the Republicans majority in both Houses was razor thin and simply couldn't pass anything without Democrat approval. I'll retrieve the political make up of both houses for what ever year you want, just name the year.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Please point out where they had a super majority and could go around the Democrat Obstructionists? The best they could get past was Sarbanes/Oxley and we can now look back and see just how effective that was. Fact is the Republicans majority in both Houses was razor thin and simply couldn't pass anything without Democrat approval. I'll retrieve the political make up of both houses for what ever year you want, just name the year.
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And yet now, the republicans have congress and the democrats have the president, and the blame is still on the democrats.
 
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hazlnut said:
Hey, look...

George W. Bush's budget director is lecturing the President about fiscal responsibility...

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Do as I say, not what I do...
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Please point out where they had a super majority and could go around the Democrat Obstructionists?
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That's a strawman since Democrats didn't actually block any related bills, Republicans didn't need a super majority.

Republicans were in charge. Weren't they the ones running the country??

And if you're going to blame the minority party for wrecking the economy while Republicans were in charge, WTF should we ever put them in charge again?? They obviously can't lead.

Prof. Peabody said:
The best they could get past was Sarbanes/Oxley and we can now look back and see just how effective that was. Fact is the Republicans majority in both Houses was razor thin and simply couldn't pass anything without Democrat approval. I'll retrieve the political make up of both houses for what ever year you want, just name the year.
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What difference does it make what the numbers were? What was needed to prevent the meltdown was oversight of the GSE's. Republicans put up two bills ... S.190 and H.R.1461. S.190 passed in committee, was not filibustered, and never made it to the Senate floor for a full vote because the party in charge wouldn't put it on the legislative calendar. How the hell is that the fault of the minority party??

H.R.1461 passed in the House and was again dropped in the Senate because again, the party in charge ... the party responsible for getting that bill on the legislative calendar so it could be voted on by the full Senate ... never let that happen. How the hell is that the fault of the minority party??

Just months after taking over the Congress in early 2007, Barney Frank (they guy you're blaming while he was in the minority party), now with the majority party, introduced and pushed H.R.1427 through the House. That's the guy you're blaming? The one who only two months into gaining controll of the House, passed a bill to increase oversight??
 
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usda select said:
Obama owns the place for all intent and purposes. Boehner looks as though he is one of those defendants who knows he is guilty, knows the judge knows that he is guilty, and knows the jury knows that he is guilty. The obstructor and thief of the House is getting his lunch eaten.
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Boehner does what Eric Cantor tells him what to do? How long can he hold the position of Speaker?
 
Prof. Peabody said:


The Democrats were warned many time, but still fought regulation of the Home Loan Banks and F&F.
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You might remember the Democrats lost the House in '94 and gained it back in '06. What did the Republicans in between. Answer: NOTHING!!
 
pbrauer said:
You might remember the Democrats lost the House in '94 and gained it back in '06. What did the Republicans in between. Answer: NOTHING!!
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Conservative logic: Anything good that occurred during those 12 years was due to Republican leadership ... anything bad that happened during those 12 years was due to minority party Democrats and not enough Republicans in Congress, even though they were the majority party.

:roll::roll::roll:
 
johnny_rebson said:
At least Republicans pay taxes to keep this country going.
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You do know that everyone in this country pays taxes in one form or another. Even people who are on welfare and buy smokes pay taxes.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's a strawman since Democrats didn't actually block any related bills, Republicans didn't need a super majority.

Republicans were in charge. Weren't they the ones running the country??

And if you're going to blame the minority party for wrecking the economy while Republicans were in charge, WTF should we ever put them in charge again?? They obviously can't lead.


What difference does it make what the numbers were? What was needed to prevent the meltdown was oversight of the GSE's. Republicans put up two bills ... S.190 and H.R.1461. S.190 passed in committee, was not filibustered, and never made it to the Senate floor for a full vote because the party in charge wouldn't put it on the legislative calendar. How the hell is that the fault of the minority party??

H.R.1461 passed in the House and was again dropped in the Senate because again, the party in charge ... the party responsible for getting that bill on the legislative calendar so it could be voted on by the full Senate ... never let that happen. How the hell is that the fault of the minority party??

Just months after taking over the Congress in early 2007, Barney Frank (they guy you're blaming while he was in the minority party), now with the majority party, introduced and pushed H.R.1427 through the House. That's the guy you're blaming? The one who only two months into gaining controll of the House, passed a bill to increase oversight??
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Quotes on Fannie and Freddie:

September 2003
"I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound, financially, and withstand some of the disaster scenarios. And even if there were a problem, the federal government doesn’t bail them out. But the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing.
-Rep Barney Frank

September 2003
"I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing. . . .
-Rep. Barney Frank

September 2003
"I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists.
-Rep. Barney Frank

Royce to Frank: The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem : U.S. Congressman Ed Royce
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Looks clear to all that care to really look.
 
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The joy that I'm feeling right now and no doubt the rest of America is feeling after one of the greatest SOTU speeches in our history is absolutely mind blowing. I was moved, I literally felt like I was floating as obama challenged us and enlightened us about how we americans can do anything. With tears flowing and a face beaming with pride knowing that this is such a special time in history to be led by greatness...how lucky we are as we all won tonight together united in hope and change...
 
I watched the first 30% of the speech and then got bored.

More platitudes, more BS. I am so tired of hearing Presidents speak. They always say a different version of the same thing. Why even bother?
 
Justice For All said:
Well yeah it does take a congress willing to do something to actually do something, I'm pretty sure Obama would do all that he says if he had support of congress.
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LOL .... he had Congress for two years and sure ****ed thngs up good, eh !!!
 
Hatuey said:
You do know that everyone in this country pays taxes in one form or another. Even people who are on welfare and buy smokes pay taxes.
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Yeah, with other people's money.
 
The Dragon said:
And yet now, the republicans have congress and the democrats have the president, and the blame is still on the democrats.
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LOL .... check again. The Senate is still a part of Congress. That same Senate that has not passed a budget in 1001 days. ;)
 
Catawba said:
Damn, told Congress if that since they didn't act to address climate change, he would! He announced plans to open up 300 public lands for the development of alternative energy sources, powering a quarter of a million homes initially.
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So he thinks he's a King, with the power to rule America on his own whim, with no need for any consent from Congress or the American people? I guess this is certainly not the first hint we've seen of this attitude on his part.
 
So this thread is a basic preview of the insane rhetoric that is going to come from far Right Conservatives during the campaign, I mean it's nothing we haven't heard before, bogus claims of Class warfare, socialism etc.

Oh well. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Looks clear to all that care to really look.
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No, what's abundantly clear is that you're claiming that a single member of the minority party in the House has the power to completely shut down the majority party in the Senate; all while avoiding answering the salient point thar Republican leadership in the Senate refused to put two separate bills up for a full vote in the Senate.

How did Barney Frank block S.190 and H.R.1461 (which actually passed in the House despite Frank's nay vote)?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So this thread is a basic preview of the insane rhetoric that is going to come from far Right Conservatives during the campaign, I mean it's nothing we haven't heard before, bogus claims of Class warfare, socialism etc.

Oh well. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
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This place mirrors the, 'say no to everything Obama wants,' Republican-led House and it offers a glimpse as to why the government is broken. Obama even addressed this last night how America needs to unite to move forward and yet they still refuse. To many on the right, it's party first, country second.
 
Catawba said:
Man, Obama is tearing up the place tonight!!! And Boehner looks like he's trying to swallow a cat!

Anybody watching this???
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Yeah I watched it, and I think it's one of Obama's worst speeches ever. Much of the language didn't sound presidential, the delivery was off, and wasn't he usual quality.
 
Awesome! said:
The joy that I'm feeling right now and no doubt the rest of America is feeling after one of the greatest SOTU speeches in our history is absolutely mind blowing. I was moved, I literally felt like I was floating as obama challenged us and enlightened us about how we americans can do anything. With tears flowing and a face beaming with pride knowing that this is such a special time in history to be led by greatness...how lucky we are as we all won tonight together united in hope and change...
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So you felt a tingle down your leg.

:vomit:
 
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poweRob said:
So you'd rather watch a man receive and enema than a woman have an orgasm? Interesting.
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This statement literally mad me laugh out loud. Good one.
 
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