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Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

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Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage - Yahoo! News

As lawmakers held their first public hearing on legalizing same-sex marriage, a previously undecided Democratic senator on Monday announced her support for the measure, all but ensuring that Washington will become the seventh state to allow gay and lesbian couples to get married.

The announcement by Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen, D-Camano Island, that she would cast the 25th and deciding vote in favor of the issue came as hundreds of people filled the Capitol to advocate for and against gay marriage.

It looks like SSM is going to be legal in most or all the country sooner rather than later. The momentum is increasing.
 
Oh no! The end of America is approaching for the 7th time.
 
Considering there's no legal basis to prevent it at all... It's only a matter of time.
 
The freedom and equal treatment of gays under the law is the freedom of us all, we cannot be seperated.

We shall win this fight, and be on the right side of history.
 
Good. Another one on the way off the list. Many more states to go.
 
I don't have a problem with gays entering into civil unions. Let them enjoy buying a house for someone they can no longer stand and join us heteros in the misery.

There will be more lesbian/gays who, after some reflection, decided that no *****/dick was worth signing over most of what they worked for
 
Good. California has enough votes to pass SSM, too. At least we did until the anti-gay religious movement flooded the airwaves with tv lies warning that if SSM was legal, under the law teachers from kindergarten up would be forced to teach kids in detail about the "homosexual lifestyle."

There are some things that shouldn't be legal, even in a damned election. :2mad:
 
I don't have a problem with gays entering into civil unions. Let them enjoy buying a house for someone they can no longer stand and join us heteros in the misery.

There will be more lesbian/gays who, after some reflection, decided that no *****/dick was worth signing over most of what they worked for

Why not marriage? Why is that right specially reserved for you?
 
Why not marriage? Why is that right specially reserved for you?

In a nutshell lol

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice. Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God, there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.
 
In a nutshell lol

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice. Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God, there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.

Legal marriage =/= religious marriage.

And even if it was, what of religious gay people? Should their religious freedom be compromised? What religion should be used to dictate how legal marriage runs?

Seriously, this argument lacks any sort of logic.
 
In a nutshell lol

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice.

A belief which is not in line with the scientific evidence.

Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God,

Marriage as a RELIGIOUS institution is a sacrament with God. As a legal and civil institution? Those don't really apply. Or else atheists would not be able to marry.

there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.

You're entitled to your own religious beliefs, but if other people want to sin, that is their business and not yours, and it doesn't justify using government as a tool to impose your personal beliefs on others who don't share them.
 
In a nutshell lol

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice. Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God, there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.

Yes, I know that various religious texts oppose homosexuality. But a true believer in "small government" would admit that his personal disapproval of homosexuality is not sufficient grounds to deny a right to others. I mean, I personally think peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are gross, but under no circumstances would I suggest you not be allowed to eat one.

If Christian beliefs can become law of the land, so can Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or Scientologist. I'm gonna go ahead and suggest it stay as "none of the above."
 
A belief which is not in line with the scientific evidence.

*If* homosexuality is a choice or not??....but I do know I have been told by many, many homosexuals that if it is proven to be genetic, they do not support a search for a cure.
 
If it actually existed, Hell would freeze over before any of the bible belt states pass gay marriage legislation.
 
*If* homosexuality is a choice or not??....but I do know I have been told by many, many homosexuals that if it is proven to be genetic, they do not support a search for a cure.

I would say that homosexuality being a choice is entirely irrelevant to whether same-sex marriage should be legal. Practically everything we do as a species is a choice. Everything on the bill of rights is a choice. They're still rights.

If there wasn't a choice in the matter, it wouldn't be a right at all. It would just be Things Humans Do.
 
*If* homosexuality is a choice or not??....but I do know I have been told by many, many homosexuals that if it is proven to be genetic, they do not support a search for a cure.

Skin color is genetic. If you were black, would you support a cure for blackness? Or would you find that offensive?
 
In a nutshell lol

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice. Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God, there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.

Luckily our constitution calls for separation of church and state.

Therefore your beliefs and mythologies have no business at the marriage license window at city hall.
 
*If* homosexuality is a choice or not??....but I do know I have been told by many, many homosexuals that if it is proven to be genetic, they do not support a search for a cure.

Why would I want to cure something that does not need fixing?
 
Skin color is genetic. If you were black, would you support a cure for blackness? Or would you find that offensive?

To be fair, homosexuality being purely genetic is not something that is conclusively proven. At best estimate, it appears to be a sort of combination of genetic and environmental factors. (which doesn't make it a conscious choice)

Still irrelevant in my opinion. If I should one day decide I want to marry a dude instead of a chick, who the hell are you to say no? Unlikely, though, I happen to think women are the best thing ever, especially the boobs. But hey, you never know right?

edit: The poster above agrees with me. Why would you take this from us?
 
To be fair, homosexuality being purely genetic is not something that is conclusively proven. At best estimate, it appears to be a sort of combination of genetic and environmental factors. (which doesn't make it a conscious choice)

It is mostly decided before you're born. There are degrees and a bi-sexual person could go either way. See Cynthia Nixon thread.
 
To be fair, homosexuality being purely genetic is not something that is conclusively proven. At best estimate, it appears to be a sort of combination of genetic and environmental factors. (which doesn't make it a conscious choice)

I agree. However, my response was taking into the account the assumption "if it were proven to be genetic" as ric stated in his post.

Still irrelevant in my opinion. If I should one day decide I want to marry a dude instead of a chick, who the hell are you to say no? Unlikely, though, I happen to think women are the best thing ever, especially the boobs. But hey, you never know right?

100% concur. I dunno what I'd do without boobs in the world. God is awesome.
 
*If* homosexuality is a choice or not??....but I do know I have been told by many, many homosexuals that if it is proven to be genetic, they do not support a search for a cure.

You have to be kidding me, right? If it is genetic, therefore it is a disease? I bet you don't consider your green eyes a disease. LOL. Or your heterosexuality. And what are you doing talking to many, many homosexuals? LOL. Does your wife know? :)

Conservatives have generally been opposed to gay rights as homosexuality has been seen as a choice. Because marriage is seen by religious people as a sacrament with God, there has been opposition to allowing equal marriages between gays because most religions classify homosexual behavior as a sin.

And most religions consider divorce a sin. And sodomy- even if you are married. And in fundamental Christianity, all sins are equal, whether you lie or commit a murder. All "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 8:28 I think)" so if everyone sins, and all sins are equal, where is the difference between me and you?

I'm gay but I am not an activist. I'm pretty right leaning actually, except with regard to social issues... but I completely reject anyone's notion that the federal government should be involved in this discussion at all. It should be left to the states. We don't need ANY new laws. We just need to repeal old ones. We have over governed at the federal level. If states choose to be intolerant, that's ok with me. I'm gay and I live in Georgia- by choice. And I'm getting married to my partner of three years this summer. Marriage, to us, has absolutely nothing to do with the government. Who cares what they say.
 
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