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Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) Detained by TSA.

We needed someone that can get a voice across to challenge what we are doing. There is zero chance Rand Paul was carrying a bomb. Some 90 year old woman does not have one in her diaper. There is no need to feel up little kids.
 
TSA is nothing but a very large group of idiots.

As an airline Captain I had to put up with their idiocy for years. Thankfully I am retired now and do my best never to fly commercial again.
 
Oh, that silly Paul family....


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The constitution already has rules in place that gives politicians special treatment.

Article 1 section 6 states that in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same

I don't believe the article states that he was arrested. He was detained pending a pat-down which he refused to agree to. In my mind that SHOULD be a Felony (though I am well aware that it is not).
 
Soooo......then....is this a statement that we should...er....PROFILE more? Stating that little kids, granny, and Paul aren't carrying a bomb is profiling, just as surely as stating that someone with a middle eastern sounding name, tan skin and dark hair is more likely to have a bomb...


Or this saying that we shouldn't have these added security measures?
 
I don't believe the article states that he was arrested. He was detained pending a pat-down which he refused to agree to. In my mind that SHOULD be a Felony (though I am well aware that it is not).

the TSA are quick to point out he was not detained, as they would of violated the constitution by doing so.
 
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Opportunistic political stunt. His pat down wasn't random. Why should others have to wait while he goes through the scanner again?
 
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Opportunistic political stunt.

this is not a conspiracy theory forum. do you have any proof that he attempted to smuggle something through the machines to set it off?
 
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I posted this in breaking news not realizing it was down here. I think he is doing a great thing, making a good statement. He did in fact offer to go through the scanner again but did not want the pat down. I hope that he gets his message across that they need to cool down on stuff like this. I did not vote for Mr Paul when he was elected, but he seems to be a great Senator so far, and wouldn't mind voting for him next election.

although i think sometimes the tsa goes too far, i have no issues with the procedures in place. who gives a ****te if he offered to go through the scanner again? do you think it should be that way for anyone who doesn't pass the first time?
 
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this is not a conspiracy theory forum. do you have any proof that he attempted to smuggle something through the machines to set it off?

Strawman, who suggested he was attempting to smuggle something through?
 
Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

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By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller Published: 10:16 AM 01/23/2012

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul’s press secretary Moira Bagley tweeted on Monday that Transportation Security Administration officials were detaining her boss in Nashville, Tenn.

“Just got a call from @senrandpaul,” Bagley tweeted at about 10 a.m. on Monday. “He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”

“He offered to go through again,” Stafford said in an email. “The TSA said he could only have a full body pat down. He would not consent to it. He offered to go through the scanner again. The situation is ongoing.”

The TSA says Sen. Rand Paul “was not detained at any point” but “triggered an alarm during routine airport screening and refused to complete the screening process in order to resolve the issue.”

“Passengers, as in this case, who refuse to comply with security procedures are denied access to the secure gate area,” the TSA adds. “He was escorted out of the screening area by local law enforcement.”

“The passenger was screened by millimeter wave imaging technology using automated target recognition,” the TSA continues. “This technology uses the same generic image for all passengers to further protect passengers privacy. When an alarm occurs a yellow box indicates where an anomaly is. A targeted pat down is used to resolve the alarm.”

TSA spokesman Michael McCarthy told The Daily Caller that “when an irregularity is found during the TSA screening process, it must be resolved prior to allowing a passenger to proceed to the secure area of the airport. Passengers who refuse to complete the screening process cannot be granted access to the secure area in order to ensure the safety of others traveling.”

Article I, Section. 6.The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Rand Paul detained by TSA - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

What doesn't the TSA understand about the Constitution? The story above clearly states he was going to Washington.
 
Soooo......then....is this a statement that we should...er....PROFILE more? Stating that little kids, granny, and Paul aren't carrying a bomb is profiling, just as surely as stating that someone with a middle eastern sounding name, tan skin and dark hair is more likely to have a bomb...


Or this saying that we shouldn't have these added security measures?

I believe we should have some real trained experts at airports and have them watch the airports like in Israel.
 
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He's a Senator, right? Unless he's introduced or otherwise supported legislation to stop patdowns, he's a hypocrite. He's not above the law. Seriously. Gimme' a break. I can just hear him: "Do you know who I am????!!!! STFU and spread 'em.
"Article I, Section. 6.The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
 
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"Article I, Section. 6.The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

Well, first of all, he wasn't arrested. Secondly, what makes you think he was headed to or returning from Washington, DC? Now, you may say, "Yes, but he was "detained!" He wouldn't have been detained had he turned around and left the airport. Congress Critters are not immune.
 
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Strawman, who suggested he was attempting to smuggle something through?

someone claimed this was an opportunistic political stunt.

Which means he is accusing Rand Paul of intentionally setting the machines off.
 
Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

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Rand Paul detained by TSA - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

What doesn't the TSA understand about the Constitution? The story above clearly states he was going to Washington.

He was not arrested. Merely denied entry to a secure area because he refused to complete the required screening process.

“Well, I don’t know what bureaucrat manuals call it, but: an innocent American citizen who was offering to cooperate while also attempting to stop an invasive search was not allowed to proceed without complying,”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/report-tsa-detains-sen-rand-paul-in-nashville/#ixzz1kJE26DaN

Correction: "an innocent American citizen decided that security procedures don't apply to him, because he's IMPORTANT, DAMNIT so they should change procedures just for his special snowflake self."
 
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someone claimed this was an opportunistic political stunt.

Which means he is accusing Rand Paul of intentionally setting the machines off.

I don't think you know what the word "opportunistic" means.
"Article I, Section. 6.The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

He was neither arrested nor detained. Nor questioned.
 
Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

The definition of arrested needs to be changed. If any security person from anywhere doesnt let you go, for whatever reason, they arrested you. They may not have locked you up and threw you in jail. But they sure arrested and detained your free will if you can't go anywhere or do what you want. If a cop locks someone in a room and questions them for many, many hours without the person being able to leave it should count as arrested.
 
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I don't think you know what the word "opportunistic" means.

sure looks that way.

definition said:
Exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to moral principle.

but I forgive you guys
 
Re: Rand Paul detained by TSA

someone claimed this was an opportunistic political stunt.

Which means he is accusing Rand Paul of intentionally setting the machines off.

Or it could mean that upon the machine being set off, Rand Paul decided to make a big deal about it and aobut refusing the body scan to take political advantage of the oppertunity rather than simply going through the pat down or refusing to go through the pat down but not having multiple channels spreading the story all over the place immedietely following it.
 
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sure looks that way.



but I forgive you guys

The part you didn't put in bold is the important part here. If you create the situation yourself, it isn't being opportunistic anymore.

Therefore, the poster who used the word "opportunistic" was actually ruling out the idea that Paul deliberately set off the machine.

Or it could mean that upon the machine being set off, Rand Paul decided to make a big deal about it and aobut refusing the body scan to take political advantage of the oppertunity rather than simply going through the pat down or refusing to go through the pat down but not having multiple channels spreading the story all over the place immedietely following it.

There's a word for that, I think. :mrgreen:
 
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I wonder how many people who yell about the TSA pat-downs travel regularly. Calling it "fondling" is about as dishonest as one can get. The TSA is there because companies want them there. You ever notice how little noise Virgin and American make about the TSA? It's not because they don't want to be "sanctioned" or whatever, it's because the last thing any company wants is for a plane to fly into a friggin building or blow up in mid air. It's a PR nightmare. In essence the TSA fulfills a role that benefits not only customers but also travel companies and the states' own national security.
 
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The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree, does it. I guess there are special rules if you are a Senator, at least in his mind. Not, apparenlty, in the minds of the TSA.

Since when have our politicians been subjected to TSA? Well at the very least, good for Rand Paul. TSA is out of hand and should be abolished.
 
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