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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

You sure about that or are you repeating a left wing lie ???



FactCheck.org : U.S. Oil Refining Capability

I've worked in oil refineries. An oil refinery has to keep things flowing whether they have a lot of demand or not. Nearly all existing refineries can build to increase production, if it was needed. You can buy an oil refinery much cheaper than you can build one and many large ones have been shut down lately, like two in the Phily area, such as Sunoco and Conoco.

New Jersey

Bayway Refinery (ConocoPhillips), Linden 230,000 bbl/d (37,000 m3/d)
Eagle Point Refinery (Sunoco), Westville closed 2010 145,000 bbl/d (23,100 m3/d)
Paulsboro Asphalt Refinery (NuStar), Paulsboro 51,000 bbl/d (8,100 m3/d)
Paulsboro Refinery (PBF Energy Corporation), Paulsboro 160,000 bbl/d (25,000 m3/d)
Perth Amboy Refinery (Chevron), Perth Amboy 80,000 bbl/d (13,000 m3/d)
Port Reading Refinery (Hess), Port Reading 62,000 bbl/d (9,900 m3/d)

Pennsylvania

Bradford Refinery (American Refining Group), Bradford 10,000 bbl/d (1,600 m3/d)
Marcus Hook Refinery (Sunoco), Marcus Hook idled 175,000 bbl/d (27,800 m3/d)
Philadelphia Refinery (Sunoco), Philadelphia 335,000 bbl/d (53,300 m3/d)
Penreco (Calumet), Karns City
Trainer Refinery (ConocoPhillips), Trainer idled 185,000 bbl/d (29,400 m3/d)
Warren Refinery, United Refining Company, Warren 70,000 bbl/d (11,000 m3/d)
Wamsutta Oil Refinery (historical), McClintocksville

Source: List of oil refineries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does idled and closed mean?

You can get a history of refinery utilization from the EIA and I follow it for the stock market.

Worry about spreading your own lies by what you choose to post!
 
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I think that our reduced consumption isn't entirely the result of the recession, though it certainly accounts for a lot of it. It also has to do with more efficient cars and trucks and other energy saving measures. And with CAFE standards rising, that should help offset increased demand from the rebounding economy. But the bottom line is that we need to reduce our reliance on oil -- not increase our capacity to use more.

I'm sure we will reduce our reliance on oil, just as soon as we find a reliable substitute to propel trucks, cars, aircraft, farm equipment, and manufacture plastics, polymers, elastomers, fibers, clothing, propane for rural residents, oil, grease, wax, asphalt road mixes, carbon products, roofing, sulfer, hundreds of chemicals, etc., etc, etc., etc.
 
That's great news that the US is now energy independent. Perhaps there need be no more screw-ups like Solyndra and the US can go with what it has.

There was far too much crony capitalism going on in the energy industry, as well as many others, but this oil independence going well into the foreseeable future will go a long way go a long way in returning America to its former greatness.

What it has is foreign oil and stupid people wanting to give oil companies more oil on public lands for the price of a lease.
 
I've worked in oil refineries. An oil refinery has to keep things flowing whether they have a lot of demand or not. Nearly all existing refineries can build to increase production, if it was needed. You can buy an oil refinery much cheaper than you can build one and many large ones have been shut down lately, like two in the Phily area, such as Sunoco and Conoco.



Source: List of oil refineries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does idled and closed mean?

You can get a history of refinery utilization from the EIA and I follow it for the stock market.

Worry about spreading your own lies by what you choose to post!

I thought you libs loved to quote FactCheck. Guess that's only when it proves some leftwing point. When it proves your lies, it is unreliable.
 
What it has is foreign oil and stupid people wanting to give oil companies more oil on public lands for the price of a lease.

Or.... stupid people giving money to "pie in the sky" green companies that take million of taxpayer dollars and provide nothing to value. They give hundreds of thousands in bonus money to their executives, campaign money to their political sponsors, then close shop leaving their employees and the taxpayers with nothing.
 
I thought you libs loved to quote FactCheck. Guess that's only when it proves some leftwing point. When it proves your lies, it is unreliable.

You explain why those three refineries are closed and idled! Anyone who has been paying attention to the news has seen stories of refinery over-capacity.
 
I'm sure we will reduce our reliance on oil, just as soon as we find a reliable substitute to propel trucks, cars, aircraft, farm equipment, and manufacture plastics, polymers, elastomers, fibers, clothing, propane for rural residents, oil, grease, wax, asphalt road mixes, carbon products, roofing, sulfer, hundreds of chemicals, etc., etc, etc., etc.

The vast majority of the oil we use goes to power personal transportation. We already have the technology to run most of that on electricity or natural gas. Now it's a question of getting production costs down and building cleaner power plants. Hence the investments in renewable energy like solar power and batteries for EVs.
 
Or.... stupid people giving money to "pie in the sky" green companies that take million of taxpayer dollars and provide nothing to value. They give hundreds of thousands in bonus money to their executives, campaign money to their political sponsors, then close shop leaving their employees and the taxpayers with nothing.

Sonyndra filed for bankrupcy because the silicon market collapsed and their thin film product can't compete at low silicon prices. What makes you think the prices of silicon will stay low? As soon as PC demand increases, the prices are going right back up.

This is just political hack nonsense!
 
The vast majority of the oil we use goes to power personal transportation. We already have the technology to run most of that on electricity or natural gas. Now it's a question of getting production costs down and building cleaner power plants. Hence the investments in renewable energy like solar power and batteries for EVs.

There are some bugs to work out getting enough lithium and rare earth metals to go major electric car.
 
You explain why those three refineries are closed and idled! Anyone who has been paying attention to the news has seen stories of refinery over-capacity.

Wow, three whole refineries. Hundreds of refineries have closed since 1980. Guess you believe all of them closed due to over capacity.

If you actually looked at why they closed temporarily, you would see that it was due to low margins on refined products and market conditions, i.e. low demand due to the recession. They plan on reopening when the economy improves.
 
The vast majority of the oil we use goes to power personal transportation. We already have the technology to run most of that on electricity or natural gas. Now it's a question of getting production costs down and building cleaner power plants. Hence the investments in renewable energy like solar power and batteries for EVs.

Thanks for my laugh of the day.
 
What it has is foreign oil and stupid people wanting to give oil companies more oil on public lands for the price of a lease.

Yes, we should all turn away from oil and rely on President Obama and his friends to discover alternatives to oil, coal, electricity, etc.

And we must save the save the trees, stop global warming and quickly do something about over population.
 
Sonyndra filed for bankrupcy because the silicon market collapsed and their thin film product can't compete at low silicon prices. What makes you think the prices of silicon will stay low? As soon as PC demand increases, the prices are going right back up.

This is just political hack nonsense!


Solyndra was just one of many. Price Waterhouse told the government not to loan them money and Obama did anyway.

Ener1, battery maker for electric vehicles - $118.5 million dollars of taxpayer money.

Evergreen Solar - $5.3 million dollars of taxpayer money

SpectraWatt - $500.000 dollars of taxpayer money

Mountain Plaza Inc - $424,000 of taxpayer money

Olsen's Crop Service - $10 million dollars of taxpayer money
 
There are some bugs to work out getting enough lithium and rare earth metals to go major electric car.

Not to mention one that will go further than 30 miles before either running out of juice or catching on fire.
 
There are some bugs to work out getting enough lithium and rare earth metals to go major electric car.

Actually there are prototypes in the works to reclaim "rare earths" from recycled stuff as we speak.. its a million dollars in development so far.
 
Actually there are prototypes in the works to reclaim "rare earths" from recycled stuff as we speak.. its a million dollars in development so far.

I'm sure Obama will give them a half billion dollars if they ask......
 
Not to mention one that will go further than 30 miles before either running out of juice or catching on fire.

There are already EVs that can go 300 miles on a charge, though there are obviously many city dwellers who can get by with far less.
 
Solyndra was just one of many. Price Waterhouse told the government not to loan them money and Obama did anyway.

Ener1, battery maker for electric vehicles - $118.5 million dollars of taxpayer money.

Evergreen Solar - $5.3 million dollars of taxpayer money

SpectraWatt - $500.000 dollars of taxpayer money

Mountain Plaza Inc - $424,000 of taxpayer money

Olsen's Crop Service - $10 million dollars of taxpayer money

That's right -- you are never going to be 100% successful when you invest in cutting edge technology. There will always be winners and losers. In this case, the winners, like First Solar and Sun Power, are much bigger than the losers.

U.S. doles out last of loan aid to solar projects | Reuters
 
There are already EVs that can go 300 miles on a charge, though there are obviously many city dwellers who can get by with far less.

Sure, if they happen to have electrically metered parking space or an extension cord to the 26th floor.
 
Actually there are prototypes in the works to reclaim "rare earths" from recycled stuff as we speak.. its a million dollars in development so far.

The problem with rare earth mining is it produces large amounts of thorium that require being treated as radioactive waste, instead of a valuable commodity to make energy. That makes rare earth elements more costly.

Lithium has problems on where major sources exist, like Bolivia and Afghanistan.
 
The problem with rare earth mining is it produces large amounts of thorium that require being treated as radioactive waste, instead of a valuable commodity to make energy. That makes rare earth elements more costly.

Lithium has problems on where major sources exist, like Bolivia and Afghanistan.

Yes.. I know but this technology is about recycling..

Their last venture 15 years ago netted 70 million..

Some DO... others whine and complain about guberment....
 
Yes.. I know but this technology is about recycling..

Their last venture 15 years ago netted 70 million..

Some DO... others whine and complain about guberment....

I know you were talking about recycling, but I wanted to get a plug in there about Thorium, because it's a potential savior for the nuclear industry and it's presently an environmental hazard.
 
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