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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

sharon said:
Click on the link... the chart is very simple to read.
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Well, whatever. Those mere 10 or 20 jobs as a result of Keystone won't be there now. The oil is going elsewhere.

Keep up those solar energy programs until people stop lending the money or just keep printing monry. Who cares? When you finally discover all the secrets solar energy has to offer the rest of the world will be ready to share in this technology.

In the game BHO is playing with his northern neighbors in order to satisfy a hard core group of seriously stupid Americans, everyone will eventually lose. It is in everyone's interest to elect a more intelligent and far sighted President come November.

Where Canada's surplus energy goes - Canada - CBC News
 
Grant said:
Well, whatever. Those mere 10 or 20 jobs as a result of Keystone won't be there now. The oil is going elsewhere.

Keep up those solar energy programs until people stop lending the money or just keep printing monry. Who cares? When you finally discover all the secrets solar energy has to offer the rest of the world will be ready to share in this technology.

In the game BHO is playing with his northern neighbors in order to satisfy a hard core group of seriously stupid Americans, everyone will eventually lose. It is in everyone's interest to elect a more intelligent and far sighted President come November.

Where Canada's surplus energy goes - Canada - CBC News
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
 
Grant said:
Buy you know a great deal about pipelines and energy, huh?
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I know Canada produces a lot of electricity and has been selling it to the US for as a long as I can remember.

What does that have to do with Barak Obama?
 
sharon said:
I know Canada produces a lot of electricity and has been selling it to the US for as a long as I can remember.

What does that have to do with Barak Obama?
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Apparently you don't know what's happenng on other side of the story and that's okay. Let's just leave at at that.
 
Grant said:
Apparently you don't know what's happenng on other side of the story and that's okay. Let's just leave at at that.
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The US doesn't NEED Keystone XL... and it may be wiser for Canada to spend the money on an East West pipeline and sell to China.

If you were trying to make some subtle threat, don't...
 
sharon said:
The US doesn't NEED Keystone XL... and it may be wiser for Canada to spend the money on an East West pipeline and sell to China.

If you were trying to make some subtle threat, don't...
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What??

Im making some subtle threat??

And don't?

Whatever are you talking about???
 
Grant said:
What??

Im making some subtle threat??

And don't?

Whatever are you talking about???
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Being cryptic doesn't contribute to the discussion.. Why don't you say what you mean .. How is Barak Obama connected to hydro electric power in Canada?
 
sharon said:
Being cryptic doesn't contribute to the discussion.. Why don't you say what you mean .. How is Barak Obama connected to hydro electric power in Canada?
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There has been a great deal of cooperation between Canada and the United States over the years regarding energy and billions in other trade as well, and with minor quibbles and squabbles we all got along very well. Now Barrack Obama has no respect from the Canadian government, nor from any other international governments it seems, and is only being supported by goofy American leftists. It has seriously jeopardized the relationship be tween the two countries.

There are now going to be further problems with cross border trade, including energy, and the Canadian government has made it clear that the source is Barrack Obama and his czars. Canada is making more deals with China, other Asian nations and in Latin America and a free trade agreement with Europe is close to done. The Canadian government doesn't believe the United States will recover from the financial mess they've created, few do, and are assuming the worst. Of course this holds especially true if B.

BarObama is reelected but the problems are already so deep that it could be generations to recover, and only then if the will is there.

Barrack Obama will bow to Saudi royalty while creating animosity in a number of areas with America's closest friends and allies, around the world. But most Americans don't appear to have a clue what's going on and therein lies the real long term dangers.
 
Grant said:
There has been a great deal of cooperation between Canada and the United States over the years regarding energy and billions in other trade as well, and with minor quibbles and squabbles we all got along very well. Now Barrack Obama has no respect from the Canadian government, nor from any other international governments it seems, and is only being supported by goofy American leftists. It has seriously jeopardized the relationship be tween the two countries.

There are now going to be further problems with cross border trade, including energy, and the Canadian government has made it clear that the source is Barrack Obama and his czars. Canada is making more deals with China, other Asian nations and in Latin America and a free trade agreement with Europe is close to done. The Canadian government doesn't believe the United States will recover from the financial mess they've created, few do, and are assuming the worst. Of course this holds especially true if B.

BarObama is reelected but the problems are already so deep that it could be generations to recover, and only then if the will is there.

Barrack Obama will bow to Saudi royalty while creating animosity in a number of areas with America's closest friends and allies, around the world. But most Americans don't appear to have a clue what's going on and therein lies the real long term dangers.
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How do you feel about China buying up Canadian oil companies? Harper has sold you all out.

What do you know about the US relationship with Saudi Arabia since 1938?

I think you are protesting too much.

Take the 7 billion dollars and invest it in east west pipelines across Canada to Canadian ports and Canadian refineries.
 
sharon said:
How do you feel about China buying up Canadian oil companies? Harper has sold you all out.
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We have many foreign companies operating in Canada, as does the United States. Most countries welcome foreign investment, and that I even have to explain this to you indicates how deep this problems runs in the United States.
What do you know about the US relationship with Saudi Arabia since 1938?
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That's not the topic of discussion.

I think you are protesting too much.
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Oh?

Take the 7 billion dollars and invest it in east west pipelines across Canada to Canadian ports and Canadian refineries.
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A country with many trillions of unpayable debt is in no position to advise anyone. You've screwed the next generation of Americans, thrown trillions down the tube through crony capitalism and now you're offering financial advise to others? Have you no idea of how ridiculous you sound?
 
Grant said:
Barrack Obama will bow to Saudi royalty while creating animosity in a number of areas with America's closest friends and allies, around the world.
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Wow, that's quite a statement considering the past two presidential terms and what went on those eight years! I honestly can't believe things can be diplomatically worse now than they were under Bush.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Wow, that's quite a statement considering the past two presidential terms and what went on those eight years! I honestly can't believe things can be diplomatically worse now than they were under Bush.
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Incredible isn't it?

After 8 years of bush*, they're concerned about bad diplomacy. And they're so worried about a bow, but the following never bothered them
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sangha said:
Incredible isn't it?

After 8 years of bush*, they're concerned about bad diplomacy. And they're so worried about a bow, but the following never bothered them
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Holding hands, while discussing business is an Arab tradition. Our generals in Iraq do it, when talking to senior government officials. I figgered you would know that. Or, is their some homophobia coming to the surface here?
 
apdst said:
Holding hands, while discussing business is an Arab tradition. Our generals in Iraq do it, when talking to senior government officials. I figgered you would know that. Or, is their some homophobia coming to the surface here?
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Ummm, bowing is a Japanese tradition.
 
sangha said:
Incredible isn't it?

After 8 years of bush*, they're concerned about bad diplomacy. And they're so worried about a bow, but the following never bothered them
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That wasn't the kind of thing I was talking about. If it's the way they were walking and talking, different strokes for different folks. But ...

Anyone remember our social "ban" on French fries? The French were even less happy at that time. (That was the most extreme (IMO) but there were many others.) Bush ticked off a lot of world leaders and acted more arrogant than any president I've seen/heard ever - even toward what I always thought were our allies. I'm surprised the Brits stuck with us and as it was I bet there was a lot of "Damn Yanks!" talk in the pubs.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Wow, that's quite a statement considering the past two presidential terms and what went on those eight years! I honestly can't believe things can be diplomatically worse now than they were under Bush.
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What you believe is not relevant.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Anyone remember our social "ban" on French fries?
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I certainly don't. When did that take place?

The French were even less happy at that time. (That was the most extreme (IMO) but there were many others.) Bush ticked off a lot of world leaders and acted more arrogant than any president I've seen/heard ever - even toward what I always thought were our allies. I'm surprised the Brits stuck with us and as it was I bet there was a lot of "Damn Yanks!" talk in the pubs.
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The French have been anti American for years. It didn't begin with Bush.

Many Brits have long been anti American as well but it was Obama who insulted the British leadership and their people. George Bush and Tony Blair, as well as Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, got along very well.
 
Ockham said:
Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? And why would we want to get oil from Canada - don't we have a deal with the Saudi's and the ME? And somehow I think they could find a route that would avoid the Eminent Domain issue - but that's just too much damned work. Let's just keep the status quo of sending our $100+ a barrel over to the ME.
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not really sure where these numbers you are pulling are accurate, in fact I don't think any study really coincides with another one. I have looked into it from different sources and your numbers are inaccurate, unless your also including the jobs it will create in other countries as total jobs, again not just U.S. jobs. The environmental hazard hurdles it needs to clarify needs to be dealt with, as in what chemicals are you going to dump into the ground getting the job done. Then you have to look at how they are going to acquire all this property. If they use eminent domain sounds like corporate communism, this is where the government steps in and decides who the winners and losers are going to be, sounds like some corporation is going to utilize the government to bully there way through.

These things really need to be debated and clarified before even all republicans are on board with it. I think Obama was given the winning number again, thanks boehner I hope you are fired by Romney, he likes firing people that don't do there jobs when you aren't getting what your there for. I think right now the Republicans are only on board with anything that has no chance of making it through the senate.
 
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Anyone notice that Greenpeace has sued TransCanada alleging that they used false and misleading jobs claims to sell their pipeline?
 
AdamT said:
Anyone notice that Greenpeace has sued TransCanada alleging that they used false and misleading jobs claims to sell their pipeline?
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I heard that, but even if 'false advertising' is illegal in Canada I think there will be enough wiggle room for TransCanada to escape unscathed (although it would be nice to have the mechanism for their numbers given wider dissemination -- as opposed to the Kool Aid drinkers who are swilling it all at face value).

They should sue Boehner... I saw him on video claim 130,000 jobs :shock:
 
AdamT said:
Anyone notice that Greenpeace has sued TransCanada alleging that they used false and misleading jobs claims to sell their pipeline?
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I would expect that from the eco-terrorists.
 
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