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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

Prof. Peabody said:
At this rate of growth we might recover in 100 years unless we boot Obama out of the White House, 13 Dems in the Senate and 19 more in the House. Folks will start to get jobs as soon as Obama and the Democrats lose theirs.

I'll be back later, I volunteer in a soup kitchen every Wednesday. We need to feed the Obama Homeless.
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If you vote in the same sort of assclowns that got us into this mess you can forget about recovering.
 
sharon said:
I know.. I have read the TransCanada claims.. Its political hype.. ask any oil man.. He'll laugh his head off..
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I'm laughing right now at all your "facts" without a shred of proof.
 
AdamT said:
If you vote in the same sort of assclowns that got us into this mess you can forget about recovering.
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Don't worry about that. Barney Frank is retiring so we don't have to worry about the assclown doing it again.
 
Gill said:
Don't worry about that. Barney Frank is retiring so we don't have to worry about the assclown doing it again.
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You sure? You're not going to introduce Mark Foley or Congressman Wide Stance at the convention? :lol:
 
AdamT said:
You sure? You're not going to introduce Mark Foley or Congressman Wide Stance at the convention? :lol:
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Didn't know they protected Fannie and Freddie from regulation. If they did, line them up with Barney.
 
Gill said:
Didn't know they protected Fannie and Freddie from regulation. If they did, line them up with Barney.
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Neither did Frank, according to the Republican Congressman who worked with him to pass reform legislation in the House ... that was then killed by the Bush faction in the Senate.
 
sharon said:
Sunbelt said:
sharon said:
The actual number that will be at least temporarily employed for the pipeline construction is between 3500 and 4200 people.. [...]
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That's not what I'm getting from the TransCanada website. Here, check it yourself:

Keystone Pipeline Project

Go ahead and share your sources, and we'll compare.
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I know.. I have read the TransCanada claims.. Its political hype.. ask any oil man.. He'll laugh his head off..
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The sources have already been posted, either in this thread or one similar to it. Regardless, it is well known that the job figures are inflated... by TransCanada's own admission the number of direct jobs is about 6,500 over two years, or 13,000 "job years". Independent studies -- which of course any pipeline supporter will not believe -- estimate the number around 4,500 temporary construction jobs.

Gill said:
sharon said:
I know.. I have read the TransCanada claims.. Its political hype.. ask any oil man.. He'll laugh his head off..
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I'm laughing right now at all your "facts" without a shred of proof.
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You've been in all these pipeline threads here long enough to know that the TransCanada's jobs figures have been debunked... therefore your obtuse propaganda tactic is simply shameless.
 
Dpetty said:
[...] I would wager that any private oil company would jump at the oppertunity to establish more oil wells in America with the stipulation that they sold the oil on the US market BEFORE the global market. The government could simply refuse to grant drilling license's to any company refusing those terms.
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How much cheaper would they have to agree to sell it to the domestic market before you would grant them a license?
 
Dpetty said:
Your pretty simple minded Karl. I dont speak for the American government, so i wasnt saying it was nationalized government oil. However any American based company DOES require the governments permission to operate within its borders. Companies dont have to be nationalized in order for the government to control their ability to export OR import. I would wager that any private oil company would jump at the oppertunity to establish more oil wells in America with the stipulation that they sold the oil on the US market BEFORE the global market. The government could simply refuse to grant drilling license's to any company refusing those terms.
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That would have no impact on price at all. It would increase the supply in the US which would push prices down. But then the other countries that sell to us would stop because the prices would be lower here than elsewhere. So, they'd sell elsewhere instead. That would bring our supply back down and the price would just stabilize at the global price again. Except all that would only take a matter of minutes on the commodities market.
 
AdamT said:
Neither did Frank, according to the Republican Congressman who worked with him to pass reform legislation in the House ... that was then killed by the Bush faction in the Senate.
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I prefer to believe my eyes and ears before any politician. Barney dug his own grave with his words and actions.
 
Karl said:
The sources have already been posted, either in this thread or one similar to it. Regardless, it is well known that the job figures are inflated... by TransCanada's own admission the number of direct jobs is about 6,500 over two years, or 13,000 "job years". Independent studies -- which of course any pipeline supporter will not believe -- estimate the number around 4,500 temporary construction jobs.


You've been in all these pipeline threads here long enough to know that the TransCanada's jobs figures have been debunked... therefore your obtuse propaganda tactic is simply shameless.
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Bwah Haa, yeah, "debunked" by environmental groups.

What about the other laughers she posted ??
 
Prof. Peabody said:
It was only over $4 a gallon from July 20th 2008 and dropped to $1.61 a gallon by the end of December 2008.

1st Q 2011 increase in GDP was .4%, 2nd Q 2011 increase in GDP was 1.3%, 3rd Q 2011 increase in GDP was 1.8%. The economy improving? Where, those numbers indicate dead in the water.
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And what was the price of oil in July 2008, December 2008 and right now

Obama does not have the ability to influence the price of oil, as it is a world wide commodity. a supply change of 200 000 barrels a day will not cause a massive shift in price
 
I have a question for all the people who feel that rabid environmentalists are preventing new refiniers from being built in the US


Since the rational behind the Keystone pipeline is to transport Albertan oil to be refined and upgraded in the US, because no oil company wants to build one in Alberta because of the economics ( and trust me, a refinery could easily pass any environmental requirements in Alberta and get built if an oil company wanted to pay for one. We are after all talking about a province that is allowing for strip mining of hundreds if not thousands of square miles to extract the oil. Does the theory that oil companies want to build new refineries in the US but cant because of the environmentalists still hold true in your thought process's
 
sharon said:
Oilmen are those who have worked in the oil business for decades and understand the business.

You could reference drillers or executives with Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occiental, Dutch Shell and so forth.

Or you can listen to politicians.
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Thank you, sharon, but are you trying to tell me that "any oil man" as you term it, in Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occidental, Dutch Shell and so forth will confirm your stance that 20,000 jobs is a total lie?
 
Gill said:
I prefer to believe my eyes and ears before any politician. Barney dug his own grave with his words and actions.
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So you were camping out at the capitol and thus know better than the Republican congressman who actually participated in the events? I guess I can't question that.
 
Sunbelt said:
Thank you, sharon, but are you trying to tell me that "any oil man" as you term it, in Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occidental, Dutch Shell and so forth will confirm your stance that 20,000 jobs is a total lie?
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I have to say how refreshing it is to hear Republicans so overcome with emotion at the prospect (however unrealistic) of 20,000 jobs when, month after month, you've been telling us how the 120,000 to 200,000 jobs the economy has been adding every month are paltry and inconsequential. Cheers for that.
 
AdamT said:
So you were camping out at the capitol and thus know better than the Republican congressman who actually participated in the events? I guess I can't question that.
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Ever heard of Youtube??
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I have a question for all the people who feel that rabid environmentalists are preventing new refiniers from being built in the US


Since the rational behind the Keystone pipeline is to transport Albertan oil to be refined and upgraded in the US, because no oil company wants to build one in Alberta because of the economics ( and trust me, a refinery could easily pass any environmental requirements in Alberta and get built if an oil company wanted to pay for one. We are after all talking about a province that is allowing for strip mining of hundreds if not thousands of square miles to extract the oil. Does the theory that oil companies want to build new refineries in the US but cant because of the environmentalists still hold true in your thought process's
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Haven't heard that they even considered building a refinery in Alberta. Also haven't heard that oil companies want to build a refinery in the U.S., but since one hasn't been built here in over 25 years, there has to be some reason.

Environmentalists, at least the rabid ones, are against building anything, but especially anything to do with energy production. They have even prevented dozens of wind and solar projects from being built.
 
AdamT said:
I have to say how refreshing it is to hear Republicans so overcome with emotion at the prospect (however unrealistic) of 20,000 jobs when, month after month, you've been telling us how the 120,000 to 200,000 jobs the economy has been adding every month are paltry and inconsequential. Cheers for that.
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Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.
 
Gill said:
Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.
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And of course we all know that Obama, who hadn't even been elected to office yet - let along sworn into office - is responsible for the economic collapse that caused high unemployment in the first place.

It took over a decade and a World War to get out of the Great Depression. Why do people think the Great Recession will be resolved in a couple of years???
 
MoSurveyor said:
And of course we all know that Obama, who hadn't even been elected to office yet - let along sworn into office - is responsible for the economic collapse that caused high unemployment in the first place.

It took over a decade and a World War to get out of the Great Depression. Why do people think the Great Recession will be resolved in a couple of years???
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Of course he didn't cause it, both Dems and Republicans in Congress caused it. BUT, Obama has done nothing to improve the economy despite his promises. I believe we should take him up on his offer to make him a one term president if he can't improve things.

The reason the Great Depression took so long is that FDR attempted the same failed policies that Obama has.
 
Gill said:
Haven't heard that they even considered building a refinery in Alberta. Also haven't heard that oil companies want to build a refinery in the U.S., but since one hasn't been built here in over 25 years, there has to be some reason.

Environmentalists, at least the rabid ones, are against building anything, but especially anything to do with energy production. They have even prevented dozens of wind and solar projects from being built.
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The oil companies are not considering building a refinery in Alberta to refine this oil, but instead would export it to be refined in the US at existing refineries. Plenty of Albertans would rather the oil would be refined here but no oil company would build one because the economics dont support it. It would be easy to get the regulatory permission to build one in Alberta

Refineries are not being built because the economics do not support building new ones, just the expansion of current ones
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The oil companies are not considering building a refinery in Alberta to refine this oil, but instead would export it to be refined in the US at existing refineries. Plenty of Albertans would rather the oil would be refined here but no oil company would build one because the economics dont support it. It would be easy to get the regulatory permission to build one in Alberta

Refineries are not being built because the economics do not support building new ones, just the expansion of current ones
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You simply repeated what I had already basically said. Due to the threat of lawsuits and regulations, it is easier to expand existing refineries. New ones can't be economically built due to the high cost of lawsuits and years of regulation compliance.
 
Gill said:
Of course he didn't cause it, both Dems and Republicans in Congress caused it. BUT, Obama has done nothing to improve the economy despite his promises. I believe we should take him up on his offer to make him a one term president if he can't improve things.
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The 3+ million private sector jobs created over the last 2 years nullifies that.

Gill said:
The reason the Great Depression took so long is that FDR attempted the same failed policies that Obama has.
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Riiiight ... because the Republicans who caused it in the first place could havefixed it quicker ... they just let it get worse and worse for 3 years running for their own amusement.
 
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