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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

I approve of him rejecting Republicans for not giving him enough time for impact studies to be done.

I know cons like yourself don't care about the environment, eminent domain being used against people, or proper studies being done. It's ok, we are used to that from ignorant people and Obama just said no to those ignorant people.

Now that strikes me as a grossly uninformed reply. Ad-hominem much ? Eminent domain is normal for pipelines. And here is a link to the pipelines of the Midwest, with Keystone and Keystone XL indicated.

More "impact studies" is the stuff of tree-hugging stupidity. See map :)

http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/ogallala_aquifer_map.pdf
 
Do you approve of Obama's actions of rejecting jobs? How is that Hope and Change?

I approve him rejecting a company that is using eminent domain.
 
I approve him rejecting a company that is using eminent domain.

We can't build pipelines and power lines, private companies, btw, without eminent domain. Never have without such. This isn't some hotel complex in Connecticut.
 
Sorry Ockham but it's more like 5,000 jobs. You can find the facts in this report.

Or there's one here, if you like.

Is that permanent jobs? What about construction jobs which have a more immediate impact and requires a lot more workers?
 
We can't build pipelines and power lines, private companies, btw, without eminent domain. Never have without such. This isn't some hotel complex in Connecticut.

Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period.Most private companies do not use eminent domain. They can always change locations,reroute or redesign to fit on what they have or simply pay the owner what they want. Its private company they have no business using eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.
 
Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected - Jan. 18, 2012



The story is just starting to break, but this is great news for people living in the regions that would be affected by this. The pipeline would have moved through very ecologically sensitive areas and the public was not consulted on this.

Looks like the protesting paid off. It might still get the nod in further applications - and probably after the election - but at least for now the environment is that much safer.

The right will use this against him, calling Obama 'job-killer'.
 
which is, of course, silly.

I think this is a wash politically. Obama gets points from the greenies and loses points from the unions. Republicans get points from some of their constituents for supporting jobs and oil, but lose points from those who are paying more attention and who realize that Republicans did more to hurt their cause than they did to help it.
 
Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period.Most private companies do not use eminent domain. They can always change locations,reroute or redesign to fit on what they have or simply pay the owner what they want. Its private company they have no business using eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.

As I noted, eminent domain for what have always been government regulated routes has always been the norm. This is not some newfound gizmo. If pipelines and power lines had to rely on every land owner being willing, we'd all still be heating with wood stoves. We could have government own the pipelines and power lines if it would make you happier.

This is not a misuse of eminent domain as happened with Kelo vs. New London. It is completely in accordance with the intent of the Founders as well.
 
Eminent domain is standard practice for the routing of pipelines. Just as it is with power transmission lines.

Secondly, oil pipelines are uber-safe. Even when built "over aquifers". :roll:
Click here to see the abundance of pipelines already built over the Ogallala Aquifer.

http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/ogallala_aquifer_map.pdf


This is pure Obama and his tree-huggers. Time to throw the former out on his useless ass and compel the latter to suck a root.

The last thing you want when you’re waiting to get a new construction permit approved is for one of your existing buildings to collapse.
It’s just doesn’t inspire confidence.
That’s the situation facing TransCanada Corp. following a 20,000 gallon spill Saturday from its Keystone oil pipeline. The Canadian company is waiting for approval from the U.S. State Department to build a controversial $7 billion, “Keystone XL,” a larger, longer pipeline to carry heavy oil from oil sand fields in Alberta nearly 2,000 miles to refineries in Texas.
The Keystone pipeline (30″ pipe) only goes as far as Oklahoma and moves roughly a half-million barrels of oil a day. It’s big brother (36″ pipe) could carry twice that volume and stretch all the way down to southernmost Texas.
Saturday’s spill in North Dakota happened when a valve failed, according to TransCanada spokesman, Terry Cunha, causing 500 barrels of the heavy oil to leak, spraying 60-feet into the air.
A local county commissioner praised TransCanada’s quick response to the spill, but also told the press “I have to confess: I did not anticipate the we would have a problem this soon.”
Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....
 
Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....

A few weeks ago I posted a quote from a former Keystone safety engineer who claims that their practices are abysmal.

If Republicans had been smart they would have assigned a more realistic deadline for the decision. By insisting on such a short deadline they completely neutered their argument.
 
Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....

LOL ... sorry, but 20,000 gallons is hardly an ink dot. They clean it up and life goes on quite well.

As for "oil for export" ....... balance it out anyway you want. We currently "import" 40% of our oil, do we not ? If and when the governments get their heads out of their asses ............ I hope this is not rocket science for a few of you.
 
Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period.Most private companies do not use eminent domain. They can always change locations,reroute or redesign to fit on what they have or simply pay the owner what they want. Its private company they have no business using eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.

You cant be serious. They would be forced to buy parcels of land that are interlocked. By using eminent doamin they can purchase parts of parcels and avoid zoning nightmares both for those that may want to sell and the company that wants to buy by getting government to intercede and allow small portion purchases to allow movement through an area.

I will say though getting the construction area away from aquifers is a sound practice. Dont know what you do when you go through Illinois/Missouri area though,its full of waterways everywhere.
 
You cant be serious. They would be forced to buy parcels of land that are interlocked. By using eminent doamin they can purchase parts of parcels and avoid zoning nightmares both for those that may want to sell and the company that wants to buy by getting government to intercede and allow small portion purchases to allow movement through an area.

I will say though getting the construction area away from aquifers is a sound practice. Dont know what you do when you go through Illinois/Missouri area though,its full of waterways everywhere.

Check this link. The Ogallala Aquifer is pretty covered with pipelines already.

http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/ogallala_aquifer_map.pdf
 
The energy policies and actions (or rather inactions) of our government are as irresponsible, arrogant and incompetent as it gets.

That's our Obama alright.
 
which is, of course, silly.

3 years of failure to get the economy going and billions wasted on "shovel ready jobs", failed solar companies andother such.. really using the 20k lost jobs from the pipeline would be silly as the reason to call O a job killer.
 
As I noted, eminent domain for what have always been government regulated routes has always been the norm. This is not some newfound gizmo. If pipelines and power lines had to rely on every land owner being willing, we'd all still be heating with wood stoves. We could have government own the pipelines and power lines if it would make you happier.

This is not a misuse of eminent domain as happened with Kelo vs. New London. It is completely in accordance with the intent of the Founders as well.

The oil pipeline is not a public utility,this is a private company wanting oil pipe to all the way to Texas for private use.This is exactly a misuse of eminent domain just like what happened with Kelo vs. New London.This is no different than a Walmart,Home Depot or hotel wanting to use eminent domain to take your property.
 
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The oil pipeline is not a public utility,this is a private company wanting oil pipe to all the way to Texas for private use.This is exactly a misuse of eminent domain just like what happened with Kelo vs. New London.This is no different than a Walmart,Home Depot or hotel wanting to use eminent domain to take your property.

That analogy holds water nowhere. Show me a trans-continental pipeline that was built without eminent domain ? The licensing and transportation of natural resources is more than mired enough in government regulation so as to qualify. Whether it be such as the transmission of natural gas to your home so that you have heat to cook with, or transmission of oil to end up as the heating fuel that also serves such homes, this sure as heck is not a matter of deciding which block gets a WalMart.
 
That analogy holds water nowhere. Show me a trans-continental pipeline that was built without eminent domain ? The licensing and transportation of natural resources is more than mired enough in government regulation so as to qualify. Whether it be such as the transmission of natural gas to your home so that you have heat to cook with, or transmission of oil to end up as the heating fuel that also serves such homes, this sure as heck is not a matter of deciding which block gets a WalMart.
Whether or not there is or isn't a trans-continental pipeline that used eminent domain is irrelevant.It doesn't change the fact that a private company has no business using eminent domain to take land from private owners.A transcontinental pipeline is a not a public utility. Therefore no different than a Wal-Mart,Hotel, home Depot or some other privately owned business.
 
Whether or not there is or isn't a trans-continental pipeline that used eminent domain is irrelevant.It doesn't change the fact that a private company has no business using eminent domain to take land from private owners.A transcontinental pipeline is a not a public utility. Therefore no different than a Wal-Mart,Hotel, home Depot or some other privately owned business.

Well, if that has been the only way it ever has gotten done, I find it diifficult to then give credence to your assertion that "they have no business doing it that way".

Do you realize the absurdity that woulod result with a pipeline company having to essentially gerrymander the route all over, likely with land purchase options spread a million different ways, to try to build a pipeline to carry the lifeblood of our industry ? Of the heat in virtually every home ?

Your position lacks both basic reality and logic. Give it w awhack though, I am curious as to how you think it gets done then. Any pipeline, Anywhere.
 
I hope they are permanently stopped. Not because of any environmental nonsense but because the fact the company is trying to use eminent domain.No private company should ever be allowed to use eminent domain especially a foreign owned one.And eminent domain should only be used by the state to build highways and roads and nothing else.School,hospitals and municipal buildings can be easily relocated or redesigned.

Keystone XL Pipeline Relies on Eminent Domain for Success

You know I was all for the pipeline until I read this. I'm glad you pointed this out.
 
LOL ... sorry, but 20,000 gallons is hardly an ink dot. They clean it up and life goes on quite well.

As for "oil for export" ....... balance it out anyway you want. We currently "import" 40% of our oil, do we not ? If and when the governments get their heads out of their asses ............ I hope this is not rocket science for a few of you.

The accurate jobs number is 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs not 20,000. The oil won't be used to reduce our imports or lower our costs. Most of the benefits go to Canada and abroad while all of the risk and pollution are ours to keep. It's a bad deal all around and even the Republicans knew it. Otherwise they would not have put that deadline so that studies could not be completed.

How about if I dump 20,000 gallons of crude in your front yard...don't worry its "hardly an ink dot". :lol:
 
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