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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

I read your post. You started talking about the need for tax justice. Then you gave us seven lines, most of which are either the opposite of that or extremist memes.

When will you get to the tax justice part?

tax justice is not more schemes to buy the votes of losers, the unlucky and the unambitious.

tax justice is balancing "from each according to their ability" which is the only basis you lefties use with a tax system that will make everyone suffer when the government spends too much and will make everyone face tax hikes when they try to jack up the rates on others
 
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And around and around we go.... The rich are richer now relative to everyone else than they've been since the 1920s. This is like a corporation complaining because it's making too much money.
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guess what-every year Nadal plays tennis he makes increases his wealth too

of course we are getting richer. if you have money to invest after you pay your taxes and your required spending, you will increase your wealth

the only way to stop that is to increase taxes so much that no one has any money left to invest. anyone who tries to do that is going to be wasted rather quickly
 
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tax justice is not more schemes to buy the votes of losers, the unlucky and the unambitious.

tax justice is balancing "from each according to their ability" which is the only basis you lefties use with a tax system that will make everyone suffer when the government spends too much and will make everyone face tax hikes when they try to jack up the rates on others

.... as opposed to the Republican plan, which makes 99% of Americans suffer so we can have MORE massive tax cuts for the rich.
 
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I'm not saying that he is a racist. I am pointing out that he was the one who introduced the word "race" into this thread.

Turtle introduced the words black and white in talking about racial differences twice in his post 1267 and was the first to introduce the topic of race here. If you cannot see that, your intellectual limitations are even worse than you previously admitted to when you said you knew one thing.

If I spit into your face but never use the word spit and you chastise me for "spitting into face" - by your standards I can then rip into you for being the one to introduce the 'spit'. Your illogic makes the world of Alice In Wonderland look like basic common sense.

You do not even make the least bit of sense with this inane defense of another poster bringing race into the topic of taxation.

i made one post of nine words

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.

Since then the warriors of the right have made scores and scores of them attacking the idea that I was the one who made the error rather than the one who introduced the racial component into the discussion.
 
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.... as opposed to the Republican plan, which makes 99% of Americans suffer so we can have MORE massive tax cuts for the rich.

more stupid lies. how does the 99 suffer? are you saying that the rich who pay 40% of the income tax-the highest amount in 6 decades, hurt the others by paying that much? Your problem is you think that the rich exist to fund everyone else. what hurts the middle class is 60 years of them becoming dependent on more and more government and them thinking that the rich have a duty to pay high taxes so they can pay artificially low taxes
 
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guess what-every year Nadal plays tennis he makes increases his wealth too

of course we are getting richer. if you have money to invest after you pay your taxes and your required spending, you will increase your wealth

the only way to stop that is to increase taxes so much that no one has any money left to invest. anyone who tries to do that is going to be wasted rather quickly

Nadal? What a silly analogy. The fact is that rich today are much richer RELATIVE TO EVERYONE ELSE than they have been since the 1920s.
 
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Turtle introduced the words black and white in talking about racial differences twice in his post 1267 and was the first to introduce the topic of race here. If you cannot see that, your intellectual limitations are even worse than you previously admitted to when you said you knew one thing.

If I spit into your face but never use the word spit and you chastise me for "spitting into face" - by your standards I can then rip into you for being the one to introduce the 'spit'. Your illogic makes the world of Alice In Wonderland look like basic common sense.

You do not even make the least bit of sense with this inane defense of another poster bringing race into the topic of taxation.
You're so funny. Turtle didn't spit in anyone's face.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Turtle introduced the words black and white in talking about racial differences twice in his post 1267 and was the first to introduce the topic of race here. If you cannot see that, your intellectual limitations are even worse than you previously admitted to when you said you knew one thing.

If I spit into your face but never use the word spit and you chastise me for "spitting into face" - by your standards I can then rip into you for being the one to introduce the 'spit'. Your illogic makes the world of Alice In Wonderland look like basic common sense.

You do not even make the least bit of sense with this inane defense of another poster bringing race into the topic of taxation.

Your dishonest take on my analogy is pathetic and others have called you on it. I was merely noting that "Truthful" comments about facts can still lead to dishonest comparisons. So I picked two groups, white criminals and black criminals and created a hypothetical

that HYPOTHETICAL being IF black MURDERERS Get more years than WHITE criminals who are convicted of less serious crimes, it would be a truthful statement to say those black criminals were punished more harshly than the white criminals but it would be dishonest to use that truthful observation to CONCLUDE that the justice system treats blacks worse than whites. I could have used asian and hispanic, male or female, straight or gay for the same analogy You clearly tried to attack my post because

1) you could not deny my analogy was accurate when applied to the dishonest comparison of THE ENTIRE Tax bill of a 50K a year earner with one tax applied to the income of a rich investor.

2) but you felt a need to respond so you insinuated I was making a racist argument when everyone else knows and saw that was a dishonest creation on your part
 
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tax justice is not more schemes to buy the votes of losers, the unlucky and the unambitious.

tax justice is balancing "from each according to their ability" which is the only basis you lefties use with a tax system that will make everyone suffer when the government spends too much and will make everyone face tax hikes when they try to jack up the rates on others

And still no real mention of anything approaching tax justice for 311 million Americans.
 
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That reminds me, I wanted to thank you. You, and those like you could have provided no better example of why it was so important for the working class to stand up and fight back against the class war being waged on the working class.

So for that, I thank you!

You’re truly welcome for that. Now since you seem to be so profoundly motivated let’s see you get out there and make a difference. It will take MUCH more effort than posting random crap on an anonymous debate board or camping out in parks. Let’s see if you can REALLY back up that strong talk. We’ve made ours now you go see what you CAN do.

Good luck with that!
 
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more stupid lies. how does the 99 suffer? are you saying that the rich who pay 40% of the income tax-the highest amount in 6 decades, hurt the others by paying that much? Your problem is you think that the rich exist to fund everyone else. what hurts the middle class is 60 years of them becoming dependent on more and more government and them thinking that the rich have a duty to pay high taxes so they can pay artificially low taxes

Speaking of stupid lies.... Let's go over this again. The rich are paying a higher percentage of total taxes because they have a MUCH higher percentage of total income than they used to. They are actually paying a much lower RATE than they used to. Obviously in order to finance those very low tax rates we have to make up for it somewhere else. Presently we're making up for it by borrowing a lot of money. Now, ALL of the Republican candidates have proposed tax plans that would give the rich MASSIVE tax cuts ... and much smaller cuts for everyone else. This is exactly the opposite of what our economy needs.
 
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Nadal? What a silly analogy. The fact is that rich today are much richer RELATIVE TO EVERYONE ELSE than they have been since the 1920s.


quit whining. to become rich these days you no longer can be big dumb and strong like factory workers could be in the 50's and make a good living. You have to have advanced technical skills and that comes with having advanced education. people who eschew education are falling behind
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Your dishonest take on my analogy is pathetic and others have called you on it. I was merely noting that "Truthful" comments about facts can still lead to dishonest comparisons. So I picked two groups, white criminals and black criminals and created a hypothetical

that HYPOTHETICAL being IF black MURDERERS Get more years than WHITE criminals who are convicted of less serious crimes, it would be a truthful statement to say those black criminals were punished more harshly than the white criminals but it would be dishonest to use that truthful observation to CONCLUDE that the justice system treats blacks worse than whites. I could have used asian and hispanic, male or female, straight or gay for the same analogy You clearly tried to attack my post because

1) you could not deny my analogy was accurate when applied to the dishonest comparison of THE ENTIRE Tax bill of a 50K a year earner with one tax applied to the income of a rich investor.

2) but you felt a need to respond so you insinuated I was making a racist argument when everyone else knows and saw that was a dishonest creation on your part

OMFG!! Is that what this is all about? I read the initial post way back...never thought a thing about it. What a waste of bandwidth that discussion's been. Jesus Mary & Joseph.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Your dishonest take on my analogy is pathetic and others have called you on it. I was merely noting that "Truthful" comments about facts can still lead to dishonest comparisons. So I picked two groups, white criminals and black criminals and created a hypothetical

that HYPOTHETICAL being IF black MURDERERS Get more years than WHITE criminals who are convicted of less serious crimes, it would be a truthful statement to say those black criminals were punished more harshly than the white criminals but it would be dishonest to use that truthful observation to CONCLUDE that the justice system treats blacks worse than whites. I could have used asian and hispanic, male or female, straight or gay for the same analogy You clearly tried to attack my post because

1) you could not deny my analogy was accurate when applied to the dishonest comparison of THE ENTIRE Tax bill of a 50K a year earner with one tax applied to the income of a rich investor.

2) but you felt a need to respond so you insinuated I was making a racist argument when everyone else knows and saw that was a dishonest creation on your part

Nobody called you a racist so please take your usual strawman back into your barn.

Nobody said you were making a racist argument so take that strawman back with its twin.

Of course, you could co back and quote me calling you a RACIST in this thread and prove me wrong but that would be impossible because it never happened. All I told you was this

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.

Now will you apologize for making false accusations against me as individual of honor and integrity would do when caught making false charges? Will Miami Florida get two feet of snow tonight?

I pointed that out because you brought in a topic that had nothing to do with what was being discussed. You brought race into a topic that had nothing to do with race. Its really that clear and simple.
 
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Speaking of stupid lies.... Let's go over this again. The rich are paying a higher percentage of total taxes because they have a MUCH higher percentage of total income than they used to. They are actually paying a much lower RATE than they used to. Obviously in order to finance those very low tax rates we have to make up for it somewhere else. Presently we're making up for it by borrowing a lot of money. Now, ALL of the Republican candidates have proposed tax plans that would give the rich MASSIVE tax cuts ... and much smaller cuts for everyone else. This is exactly the opposite of what our economy needs.

rate means nothing. everyone else is paying a far lower rate as well. we are borrowing money because an indolent middle class demands all sorts of stuff it is unwilling to pay for and politicians are unwilling to lose their votes by either not giving them what they want or raising their taxes.

the rich are unfairly overtaxed based on

1) what they get from government and what they use as provided by government

2) what others pay

in the socialist euro nations the rich actually pay about the same percentage of the taxes as their share of the inome. In America the rich pay far more of the taxes than their share of the income
 
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Nobody called you a racist so please take your usual strawman back into your barn.

Nobody said you were making a racist argument so take that strawman back with its twin.

Of course, you could co back and quote me calling you a RACIST in this thread and prove me wrong but that would be impossible because it never happened. All I told you was this



I pointed that out because you brought in a topic that had nothing to do with what was being discussed. You brought race into a topic that had nothing to do with race. Its really that clear and simple.

So why don't you answer an easy question at least 4 posters have asked you

what was your purpose for claiming I introduced "race" into this discussion?
 
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OMFG!! Is that what this is all about? I read the initial post way back...never thought a thing about it. What a waste of bandwidth that discussion's been. Jesus Mary & Joseph.

I am in 100% total agreement Maggie. Well said.
 
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So why don't you answer an easy question at least 4 posters have asked you

what was your purpose for claiming I introduced "race" into this discussion?

to inform you that you introducing race did not advance the discussion. That was self evident by the nine words I used in my post.

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.

I have no idea why you would be unclear about something so straight forward and clear.
 
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OMFG!! Is that what this is all about? I read the initial post way back...never thought a thing about it. What a waste of bandwidth that discussion's been. Jesus Mary & Joseph.

I am still wondering what Haymarket's purpose was in whining that i "introduced race" into this discussion
 
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to inform you that you introducing race did not advance the discussion. That was self evident by the nine words I used in my post.



I have no idea why you would be unclear about something so straight forward and clear.

being afraid to actually address the point I made but instead whining about race did what to advance the discussion
 
Go for it! A lot of that money is already overseas anyway. I'm going to hang around here with the rich people not too greedy to pony up an extra 5% on their capital gains taxes to make their country more prosperous and with the labor force that is the backbone of production. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year though! See ya! :2wave:

You don’t seem to get it. Who’s money do you think they are talking about when they discuss the ‘$2t sitting on the sidelines’? Who’s money was it that caused the stock market to plummet to around 6k in ’08. And then who’s money has been put BACK into the market to enable it to reach around 12k in the last few weeks? WE are the ones moving our money and some of us are about to retract AGAIN. What are YOU going to do about it? Whine? That'll help...:lamo

And I asked previously what affect is this 5% going to make? With the AVERAGE annual projected realized capital gains 2010-2015 being $740b, 5% will yield $37b annually. THIS is your plan to reduce an average $1t deficit…think again.
The Revenue Outlook
 
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quit whining. to become rich these days you no longer can be big dumb and strong like factory workers could be in the 50's and make a good living. You have to have advanced technical skills and that comes with having advanced education. people who eschew education are falling behind

And again, speaking of stupid lies.... Factory workers were never considered rich in this country. Middle class, yes. Rich? No.

Of cours CEOs were considered to be rich in the 1970s, even though they only made approximately 30 times more than the average worker (from memory - could be off). NOW, however, CEOs make about 325 times more than the average worker! The ratio has increased by a factor of 10! Are CEOs 10x smarter and harder working now than they used to be? I don't think so. Are workers 10x stupider and lazier than they used to be? Hardly. Productivity has increased significantly.
 
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I am still wondering what Haymarket's purpose was in whining that i "introduced race" into this discussion

Asked and answered.

I told you it was to inform you that you introducing race into a discussion about taxation did not advance the discussion.

What part of that do you not understand now that you have asked it several times and the answer is still the same?

The whining here - to use one of your pet words - is being done by you and your friends on the far right.

And where are those quotes from me where I called your post RACIST in this thread as you allege? Better yet, where is your apology for making false allegations about me?
 
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Of cours CEOs were considered to be rich in the 1970s, even though they only made approximately 30 times more than the average worker (from memory - could be off). NOW, however, CEOs make about 325 times more than the average worker!

Big fish eat little fish, leaving only big fish.

Fun example:

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And again, speaking of stupid lies.... Factory workers were never considered rich in this country. Middle class, yes. Rich? No.

Of cours CEOs were considered to be rich in the 1970s, even though they only made approximately 30 times more than the average worker (from memory - could be off). NOW, however, CEOs make about 325 times more than the average worker! The ratio has increased by a factor of 10! Are CEOs 10x smarter and harder working now than they used to be? I don't think so. Are workers 10x stupider and lazier than they used to be? Hardly. Productivity has increased significantly.

two factory workers who bought a home together at the right time and invested in a company pension could easily be considered rich by your master when they retired.

if you don't like what CEO's are paid buy a company and pay your CEO less or get enough votes to demand that the board reduce pay. that is the proper way to do that. its not the government's role to do that or to tax those who do well just to make people like you feel less butt-hurt about not being well paid as those executives
 
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