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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Now who's name calling?

no name calling. Properly identifying a slander against me. I never accused Turtle of being a racist in this thread and he said I did. That is a LIE.

Or do you have proof that I did and I am wrong?

In fact, take the entire night and find the proof. And when it is not there, you can get in line with Turtle and apologize to me in the morning.
 
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LIAR. I never accused you of racism in this thread.

But go ahead and prove me wrong with my quote calling you that. Or be a man and retract your charge against me.

I never started anything about race in this thread. You did in post 1267. Why are you lying bout that also?

so tell us what was the purpose of saying I "introduced race" into this thread. rather than dealing with the analogy for what it was worth, why evade my point and reply like that?
 
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Do you even understand what you just wrote because I have no idea what you are ranting about. Then again, I have not consumed the gallons of kool-aid necessary for that sort of 'enlightenment' to occur.

Divert and denial...that is another 'standard liberal tactic'...Did you take lessons at the same place as Wasserman-Shultz?
 
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no name calling. Properly identifying a slander against me. I never accused Turtle of being a racist in this thread and he said I did. That is a LIE.

Or do you have proof that I did and I am wrong?

Did you not post:

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

That is spamming to post the same crap over and over.

You mean its not fair to document facts to back up my claim while you have documented nothing to back up your own?
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Why would you do that?

It's not why would we do that but rather you...but maybe:

Per urban dictionary
Playing the ‘race card’-

A false claim of racism used in attempt to win a debate/argument or escape punishment. This is generally used by people who have no legitimate argument or excuse for their actions.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Screwing people with money isn't an answer. It'll just make them resentful and more likely to hide their investments and assets, instead of putting them back in with higher salaries and benefits.

I haven't heard anyone suggesting screwing the people with money. Quote please?
 
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You mean its not fair to document facts to back up my claim while you have documented nothing to back up your own?

You do understand how moronic a claim it is to state that the total tax bill of some middle class people might be about the same or slightly higher than a SINGLE tax paid by some investors when

1) the investors pay a far higher effective INCOME Tax rate than the effective rate of those middle class taxpayers

2) using taxes that were not intended or set up to be progressive in an attempt to whine about the progressitivity of a system that has many non progressive facets is also dishonest
 
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Where do you get this word RACIST from? You are inventing things that were not there?

Why would you do that?

No one called you a racist Turtle. You brought race into this discussion about taxation. That is hardly conducive to honest discussion about a topic that race has nothing to do with.

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.

Oh you can vaguely insinuate someone has introduced race over and over and not mean, racist or racism? You can say the words over and over without impunity because you're more truthful? That's more than a little disingenuous. You have little room to call anyone dishonest, when you imply the very essence of a title without literally voicing it out. Slick but not sincere or righteous at all.
 
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Why should the American people support a law and system which permits one person earning $800K and paying a tax rate of 35% with a tax bill of $280,000.00 while another person earns $800K and pays a tax rate of 15% and a tax bill of 120,000 if all other conditions are equal other than the source of the money?

How is that not discriminatory?

One income has no risk other than loss of a job.
The other income has a risk of loosing what was invested.
So no discrimination, two differnt types of income

Riddle me this:
One person savings pays 2%
Another person savings pays 4%
Is that discrimination? Its all saving dollars. So why would American support this going on in America?
 
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I haven't heard anyone suggesting screwing the people with money. Quote please?

They're the best ones to screw or so I heard. ;)
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

You do understand how moronic a claim it is to state that the total tax bill of some middle class people might be about the same or slightly higher than a SINGLE tax paid by some investors when

1) the investors pay a far higher effective INCOME Tax rate than the effective rate of those middle class taxpayers

2) using taxes that were not intended or set up to be progressive in an attempt to whine about the progressitivity of a system that has many non progressive facets is also dishonest

Numbering your opinions does not disprove my claim that those that make their income primarily from investments pay a lower tax rate than someone in the middle class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes.

You are ignoring the payroll taxes paid to the federal government which makes up 40% of federal revenues. The fact is for decades SS receipts have been used for general fund spending. Without SS funds paid for mostly by the working class our debt would be much bigger than it is because of the tax cuts we provided for the rich.
 
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Numbering your opinions does not disprove my claim that those that make their income primarily from investments pay a lower tax rate than someone in the middle class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes.

You are ignoring the payroll taxes paid to the federal government which makes up 40% of federal revenues. The fact is for decades SS receipts have been used for general fund spending. Without SS funds paid for mostly by the working class our debt would be much bigger than it is because of the tax cuts we provided for the rich.

quit engaging in idiotic comparisons

next you will claim that the average working person pays more taxes in 40 years than an investor pays in a week

again perhaps true but ridiculous

NO WORKING PERSON making 50K a year Pays effective FIT rates anywhere near 15%

that is all that matters. apples to apples-your claims are idiotic

you want to compare the entire grocery store to the apple display

with that I am done for the night-you can find more idiotic comparisons to justify your rich bashing nonsense but honest comparisons bitch slap your position
 
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They're the best ones to screw or so I heard. ;)

So you say its something you've heard, but nothing you can quote??? Isn't that what is known as a baseless accusation?
 
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with that I am done for the night-you can find more idiotic comparisons to justify your rich bashing nonsense but honest comparisons bitch slap your position

You were done along time ago when you couldn't provide anything authoritative to document your claim.
 
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So you say its something you've heard, but nothing you can quote??? Isn't that what is known as a baseless accusation?

Alright, her name is Jennifer Aniston. She said "Brad baby you were the man I wanted to screw with money". Better?
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Numbering your opinions does not disprove my claim that those that make their income primarily from investments pay a lower tax rate than someone in the middle class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes.

You are ignoring the payroll taxes paid to the federal government which makes up 40% of federal revenues. The fact is for decades SS receipts have been used for general fund spending. Without SS funds paid for mostly by the working class our debt would be much bigger than it is because of the tax cuts we provided for the rich.

Evidently you didn't look at post 1159 link: take a look.
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

What is it telling you.
It shows that the rich total effective tax rate for the rich is not much higher, but is higher than the middle class. This is all taxes paid by an individual.

You can question the source tea provided. But if it is correct, it shows that the rich pay the same if not more than anyone else., no matter what source of income.
Unless you got something to refute what the link says, your not correct if you look at it from all taxes paid.
 
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Alright, her name is Jennifer Aniston. She said "Brad baby you were the man I wanted to screw with money". Better?

Jokes are a good way to cover embarrassment for making a baseless accusation?
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Evidently you didn't look at post 1159 link: take a look.
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

What is it telling you.
It shows that the rich total effective tax rate for the rich is not much higher, but is higher than the middle class. This is all taxes paid by an individual.

You can question the source tea provided. But if it is correct, it shows that the rich pay the same if not more than anyone else., no matter what source of income.
Unless you got something to refute what the link says, your not correct if you look at it from all taxes paid.

There is nothing there I could find that compares the effective tax rates for those who's income is primarily from investments (like Romney) with someone in the working class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes. That was my claim that I provided authoritative documentation to back up.

If I missed where it is referenced, please quote it in your response.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

It's not why would we do that but rather you...but maybe:

Per urban dictionary
Playing the ‘race card’-

A false claim of racism used in attempt to win a debate/argument or escape punishment. This is generally used by people who have no legitimate argument or excuse for their actions.

Now all you have to do is what you have been impotent to do over the last several pages: produce a quote of mine where I accuse someone here of racism in this thread.

Again, it was your ally Turtle who introduced RACE into a discussion of taxation in his post 1267.

its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest

Until he did that, there was no mention of race here.
 
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Does anyone else think my analogy have any racist overtones by merely picking two groups?
No, it was an example of cherry picking based on an irrelevant piece of incidental data.
 
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Oh you can vaguely insinuate someone has introduced race over and over and not mean, racist or racism? You can say the words over and over without impunity because you're more truthful? That's more than a little disingenuous. You have little room to call anyone dishonest, when you imply the very essence of a title without literally voicing it out. Slick but not sincere or righteous at all.

Because stating that Turtle introduced RACE into a thread on taxation in his post 1267 is a fact of reality that stands unchallenged by anyone who can read the english language.

its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest

Anything else being read into something seems to come from someone other than myself.

The question becomes why are they doing this?
 
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Go back and see who introduced RACE into this discussion of taxation.
And then go back and see who made a big stink about him doing so.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

And then go back and see who made a big stink about him doing so.

the stink is caused by the farter who expelled the offensive gas... not the one who noticed it ...... see post 1267.

oh - here was the "big stink" I raised

Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.

Of course, your comment and the reaction of some right libertarians here seem to add credence to the charge that some here badly want to erase all mention of RACE from the lexicon for purely political reasons............ until they themselves bring it up.
 
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