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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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haymarket said:
You call people IDIOTS and NEER DO WELLS even if they match your own income if they do not invest as you prefer they do. That is prejudice and the substitution of your own values for theirs.
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The only prejudice I see is from people who aren't paying top rates or top dollar tax bills whining about those who do
 
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TurtleDude said:
most of which are based on a belief system I reject and on a craven political reality that there are more looters who can vote than net tax payers
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It matters not what you reject based on your embracing of the randroid belief system.

The fact remains that I provided you with at least eight solid reasons why economists favor a graduated tax system which discriminates based on amount of available income to be taxed and you have provided nothing in defense of the discriminatory capital gains rates except your own personal desire to cut your own personal taxes for your own persona gain to enlarge your own personal bank account and nation policy be damned in favor of your own personal goals and benefits.
 
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TurtleDude said:
The only prejudice I see is from people who aren't paying top rates or top dollar tax bills whining about those who do
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Then you badly need to go back and read your own posts where you vilify others and call them names because they are not like you.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.
 
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haymarket said:
It matters not what you reject based on your embracing of the randroid belief system.

The fact remains that I provided you with at least eight solid reasons why economists favor a graduated tax system which discriminates based on amount of available income to be taxed and you have provided nothing in defense of the discriminatory capital gains rates except your own personal desire to cut your own personal taxes for your own persona gain to enlarge your own personal bank account and nation policy be damned in favor of your own personal goals and benefits.
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If votes were proportionate to taxes paid the progressive income tax would die faster than a butterfly in an icebox

You pretend that your soak the rich agenda is for the public good while claiming my desired tax policy only benefits me

that is specious garbage. Your tax system is why the middle class continues to demand more and more government and why the pimps in Washington cater to them
 
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TurtleDude said:
you are lying again

the investors who pay an effective federal income tax rate are paying a much higher tax rate than people who make 50,000 a year
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"We found that a typical taxpayer with $50,000 in income pays 22 to 23 percent in income and payroll taxes."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/27/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-construction-workers-pay-higher-/

"Romney says he is taxed at around 15 percent rate"
Romney says he is taxed at around 15 percent rate | Reuters
 
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haymarket said:
Then you badly need to go back and read your own posts where you vilify others and call them names because they are not like you.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.
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I don't call posters names, I note the class of wealth stealers are just that. and you and your fellow travelers are whining that those of us who pay far more tax dollars than we use in government are either selfish or greedy when we CORRECTLY note we pay far too much in federal income taxes
 
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If Romney paid 15% that's more than he should have. I owned a small business for years and lost almost 50% of my profits to taxes. It's sickening and stupid that our moronic government spends so much. Every time there has been tax cuts the economy has shown growth, which benefited everybody. Nobody benefits from excessive gov programs, not even the government. I say make government work smarter not harder.
 
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Catawba said:
"We found that a typical taxpayer with $50,000 in income pays 22 to 23 percent in income and payroll taxes."
PolitiFact | Barack Obama says construction workers pay higher tax rate than someone earning $50 million a year

"Romney says he is taxed at around 15 percent rate"
Romney says he is taxed at around 15 percent rate | Reuters
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That is spamming to post the same crap over and over. Its crap because it is using non progressive taxes as part of what the "poor" pay and comparing it to a single tax paid by investors
 
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TurtleDude said:
If votes were proportionate to taxes paid the progressive income tax would die faster than a butterfly in an icebox

You pretend that your soak the rich agenda is for the public good while claiming my desired tax policy only benefits me

that is specious garbage. Your tax system is why the middle class continues to demand more and more government and why the pimps in Washington cater to them
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You and the other warriors of the right need to run on that program. Do you even know what "specious garbage" means. I have repeatedly reproduced your own posts in which you state your so called PRINCIPLE of taxation only to betray it a short time later, do a complete reversal and embrace another so called PRINCIPLE that does the opposite. And then you switch to a third. And what do any of them have in common each and every time you flush your precious PRINCIPLE down the toilet? You get a personal tax cut.

I will be happy to produce those again for you. They are your words and your positions - not mine or anyone elses. Your so called precious PRINCIPLES which you trash and smash, flush and crush happily as long as the new flavor of the week gives you a personal tax cut.

So please Turtle, lets not gild the lily here.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I don't call posters names, I note the class of wealth stealers are just that. and you and your fellow travelers are whining that those of us who pay far more tax dollars than we use in government are either selfish or greedy when we CORRECTLY note we pay far too much in federal income taxes
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Calling people IDIOTS and NEER DO WELLS is name calling.
 
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The only way to increase jobs is to increase productivity by giving US businesses tax breaks. It's been proven over and over to spread the wealth more effectively than government. Local hiring, buying and spending can only come from bureaucracy getting out of the way of small business growth.
 
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TurtleDude said:
That is spamming to post the same crap over and over. Its crap because it is using non progressive taxes as part of what the "poor" pay and comparing it to a single tax paid by investors
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Posting the truth is not a violation of any rules.
 
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haymarket said:
You and the other warriors of the right need to run on that program. Do you even know what "specious garbage" means. I have repeatedly reproduced your own posts in which you state your so called PRINCIPLE of taxation only to betray it a short time later, do a complete reversal and embrace another so called PRINCIPLE that does the opposite. And then you switch to a third. And what do any of them have in common each and every time you flush your precious PRINCIPLE down the toilet? You get a personal tax cut.

I will be happy to produce those again for you. They are your words and your positions - not mine or anyone elses. Your so called precious PRINCIPLES which you trash and smash, flush and crush happily as long as the new flavor of the week gives you a personal tax cut.

So please Turtle, lets not gild the lily here.
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The only consistency we see out of you is always wanting the rich to pay more money so your dem politicians can buy more votes

when it comes to taxes you claim that progressive rates are proper because the "people" through congress say they are but when it comes to the same congress decreeing lower rates for investment income you whine that it is discriminatory

you want all income treated the same for reasons based on "fairness" (rational economic arguments have yet to be proffered for jacking up taxes on investment income) yet you despise fairness in the form of flat rates or everyone paying the same percentage of their next dollar to the government
 
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haymarket said:
Posting the truth is not a violation of any rules.
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the truth can be dishonest

its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest

that is exactly what teamosil and Catawba have done-comparing TOTAL STATE and FEDERAL TAXES Of one type of taxpayer with only one of MANY taxes an investor pays and then whining that the total rate of all taxes for one might be higher than the tax rate oF ONE type of tax for the investor
 
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mike2810 said:
You don't see the potential risk in investment vs a know income from labor?
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Well, one way to look at it is that the worker puts in labor and gets back money where the investor puts in a willingness to accept risk and gets back money. I don't necessarily see why risk is a greater sacrifice than time and effort. Especially give that for a smart investor, over time, the risk is somewhere between very low and non-existant.

Another way to look at it is that the public assumes some of that risk on behalf of the investor. If investors buys shares in a company for $100m and that company crashes to -$100m in value (ie they owe $100m more than they have) then the investors absorb $100m in losses, but the employees, creditors, vendors, government, etc, absorb the $100m in debt. That's what limited liability buys you. So, maybe the price for society taking on that portion of the risks that the investor will lose is that they need to pitch back in to society when they win.

mike2810 said:
I do thank you for your explainations and replys.
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Yeah, thank you too for the good discussion.
 
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haymarket said:
You and the other warriors of the right need to run on that program.
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We will just like always. And you ‘warriors of the left’ will run on the same program you have. And we will continue to go down the SAME path. Unfortunately both you and Cat have stated who has the money and at this time it is MONEY that wins elections. So go on with the same rant and we’ll see where that gets ya...
 
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Screwing people with money isn't an answer. It'll just make them resentful and more likely to hide their investments and assets, instead of putting them back in with higher salaries and benefits.
 
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grip said:
Does the second statement validate the first? Just kidding :lol:
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name calling is name calling.
 
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Dickieboy said:
We will just like always. And you ‘warriors of the left’ will run on the same program you have. And we will continue to go down the SAME path. Unfortunately both you and Cat have stated who has the money and at this time it is MONEY that wins elections. So go on with the same rant and we’ll see where that gets ya...
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people who spew the nonsense that Catawba and the other haters of the wealthy do will hopefully unite the wealty (who right now are split: libertines, Christian haters, and those wealthy because of the government tend to support the dems, bible thumpers, many entrepreneurs and those tired of being overtaxed and regulated support the GOP) which will spell the end of the dem party as we know it. without their millionaire backing the dems will get crushed in elections. the sooner the better. and I see a day when people who whine about the rich will feel the pain when their rich employers fire them for their rants.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Dickieboy said:
We will just like always. And you ‘warriors of the left’ will run on the same program you have. And we will continue to go down the SAME path. Unfortunately both you and Cat have stated who has the money and at this time it is MONEY that wins elections. So go on with the same rant and we’ll see where that gets ya...
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Baloney. You righties do not have the guts or honesty to run on the Turtle program of allocating votes according to taxes paid.
 
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TurtleDude said:
the truth can be dishonest

its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest

that is exactly what teamosil and Catawba have done-comparing TOTAL STATE and FEDERAL TAXES Of one type of taxpayer with only one of MANY taxes an investor pays and then whining that the total rate of all taxes for one might be higher than the tax rate oF ONE type of tax for the investor
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Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
 
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haymarket said:
You and the other warriors of the right need to run on that program. Do you even know what "specious garbage" means. I have repeatedly reproduced your own posts in which you state your so called PRINCIPLE of taxation only to betray it a short time later, do a complete reversal and embrace another so called PRINCIPLE that does the opposite. And then you switch to a third. And what do any of them have in common each and every time you flush your precious PRINCIPLE down the toilet? You get a personal tax cut.

I will be happy to produce those again for you. They are your words and your positions - not mine or anyone elses. Your so called precious PRINCIPLES which you trash and smash, flush and crush happily as long as the new flavor of the week gives you a personal tax cut.

So please Turtle, lets not gild the lily here.
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Your post is so full of **** that I needed two rolls of Charmin to get though it.

What a turd you posted.
 
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