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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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Higgins86 said:
all through history empires have fallen because of the mistreatment of the working class and the over indulgence of the rich of the poor, that was my point
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you seem to think that massive taxes on the rich actually help the poor. rather, the dem party has done to the poor what drug dealers do to addicts
 
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TurtleDude said:
It sure doesn't authorize the vote buying scheme you libs call "welfare"
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You seem happy to pontificate telling us what you believe the Constitution DOES NOT mean but you are impotent to tell us what the language does mean.

Interesting.
 
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haymarket said:
You seem happy to pontificate telling us what you believe the Constitution DOES NOT mean but you are impotent to tell us what the language does mean.

Interesting.
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its dicta. and what you seem to miss is that UNLESS congress was given a power specifically, it doesn't have it. since those phrases do not meet that test, I couldn't care less.
 
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TurtleDude said:
you seem to think that massive taxes on the rich actually help the poor. rather, the dem party has done to the poor what drug dealers do to addicts
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Comparing apples to cinderblocks using this type of hyperbolic partisanship is hardly a substitute for ration discussion of a national tax policy.
 
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TurtleDude said:
its dicta. and what you seem to miss is that UNLESS congress was given a power specifically, it doesn't have it. since those phrases do not meet that test, I couldn't care less.
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More pontification without a shred of supporting evidence to support your own belief system. We know what you believe Turtle. That is now irrelevant. You have to go beyond that statement of belief in debate.

Can you?
 
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TurtleDude said:
you seem to think that massive taxes on the rich actually help the poor. rather, the dem party has done to the poor what drug dealers do to addicts
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Are you under the impression that drug dealers cure addicts?

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haymarket said:
Comparing apples to cinderblocks using this type of hyperbolic partisanship is hardly a substitute for ration discussion of a national tax policy.
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referencing the rich as Muffy etc is a rational discussion of national tax policy?
 
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TurtleDude said:
referencing the rich as Muffy etc is a rational discussion of national tax policy?
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there are not people who go by the name of Muffy?
 
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AdamT said:
Are you under the impression that drug dealers cure addicts?
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keeping people addicted is what dealers do and its in the dem party's interest to do the same with handouts
 
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TurtleDude said:
keeping people addicted is what dealers do and its in the dem party's interest to do the same with handouts
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His post seems to have gone miles over your head Turtle. Please go back and read it again and you will see you are misinterpreting it.
 
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TurtleDude said:
keeping people addicted is what dealers do and its in the dem party's interest to do the same with handouts
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Yeah, I'm familiar with far-right talking points. But the fact is that safety net programs have cut the poverty rate in half, so the drug dealer analogy is piss poor.
 
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haymarket said:
Let me correct you on the two parts of your post I bolded and underlined.

1- Lots of critics of the policies of the right wing are very successful... as am I. It is a gross insult to say that only the 'unsuccessful' want would economic policies for the benefit of the entire country. It is an intended slur against those who disagree with you and a pathetic attempt to paint your enemies as losers. Shame on you for that.

2- It is another insult to state that those who disagree with right wing goals and policies lack intellect or insight. Again, this is a disgusting and pathetic attempt to paint your ideological enemies as unintelligent as you true believers are. Why don't you deal with the actual policies being discussed instead of attacking those who disagree with you painting them as 'unsuccessful' - a charge which you have no information which to make that judgment, or lacking intellect or intelligence which is just plain silly given my educational attainment, career, and ability to show you where you are in serious error.
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1- As opposed to saying that those are not rich and vote against what you perceive to their best interest are brainwashed?
2- There are valid arguments to be made on many things, but in your posts the only thing that comes through to me is envy or the lack of intellect and insight to recognize the results of your limitations. I extend my apologizes if you have some disability which has prevented you from realizing what you think you deserve in life. That might be more understandable, but still not a reason for envy.
 
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haymarket said:
His post seems to have gone miles over your head Turtle. Please go back and read it again and you will see you are misinterpreting it.
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He does not have that ability and the war on poverty has wasted trillions and I don't see any credible proof-anyone can post a graph. we do know the rate of black illegitimacy skyrocketed with the "great society"
 
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AdamT said:
Yeah, I'm familiar with far-right talking points. But the fact is that safety net programs have cut the poverty rate in half, so the drug dealer analogy is piss poor.
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you ignore the fact that there are far more handouts than government safety programs and many people who have never been in poverty are addicted to those additional programs
 
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TurtleDude said:
you ignore the fact that there are far more handouts than government safety programs and many people who have never been in poverty are addicted to those additional programs
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You're talking about Exxon/Mobil, Citi, AIG, Archer Daniels Midland, Bank of America, etc.?
 
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Meathead said:
1- As opposed to saying that those are not rich and vote against what you perceive to their best interest are brainwashed?
2- There are valid arguments to be made on many things, but in your posts the only thing that comes through to me is envy or the lack of intellect and insight to recognize the results of your limitations. I extend my apologizes if you have some disability which has prevented you from realizing what you think you deserve in life. That might be more understandable, but still not a reason for envy.
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1- Lots of critics of the policies of the right wing are very successful... as am I. It is a gross insult to say that only the 'unsuccessful' want would economic policies for the benefit of the entire country. It is an intended slur against those who disagree with you and a pathetic attempt to paint your enemies as losers. Shame on you for that.

2- It is another insult to state that those who disagree with right wing goals and policies lack intellect or insight. Again, this is a disgusting and pathetic attempt to paint your ideological enemies as unintelligent as you true believers are. Why don't you deal with the actual policies being discussed instead of attacking those who disagree with you painting them as 'unsuccessful' - a charge which you have no information which to make that judgment, or lacking intellect or intelligence which is just plain silly given my educational attainment, career, and ability to show you where you are in serious error.

3- Nobody is guilty of envy here simply because they advocate a rational tax policy which reverses the last thirty years of tax cuts benefitting the wealthy far more than others in our society. Of course, for you and the other warriors of the far right to have to give up your use of the ENVY CARD would then mean you have to have an honest discussion abotu tax policy and why do that when you can both attack your enemies and compliment yourself at the same time?
 
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AdamT said:
You're talking about Exxon/Mobil, Citi, AIG, Archer Daniels Midland, Bank of America, etc.?
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no-and you knew that.
 
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AdamT said:
You're talking about Exxon/Mobil, Citi, AIG, Archer Daniels Midland, Bank of America, etc.?
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Yes, them too. Cut off the federal gravy train for them and everyone else.
 
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haymarket said:
Why don't you deal with the actual policies being discussed instead of attacking those who disagree with you...
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I want to show you something. I call it my shocked face: :shock:
 
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Centinel said:
Yes, them too. Cut off the federal gravy train for them and everyone else.
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the unions that demanded the bailouts of GM will have their shorts in a knot
 
Meathead said:
There are valid arguments to be made on many things, but in your posts the only thing that comes through to me is envy or the lack of intellect and insight to recognize the results of your limitations. I extend my apologizes if you have some disability which has prevented you from realizing what you think you deserve in life. That might be more understandable, but still not a reason for envy.
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This is one of my pet peeves about the far right. It's always a psychoanalysis, isn't it? What about rich people like Bill Gates? Don't they advocate welfare programs, or is it because they're failures too?
 
JustinS said:
This is one of my pet peeves about the far right. It's always a psychoanalysis, isn't it? What about rich people like Bill Gates? Don't they advocate welfare programs, or is it because they're failures too?
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I suspect anyone who isn't a socialist or a far left dem is "far right" to you.

the uber rich are often the biggest fans of welfare socialism and other schemes that end up concentrating wealth in the hands of the government. the uber rich find it more efficient to trade with an entity that has a concentrated amount of wealth rather than trading with lots of entities with some wealth
 
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TurtleDude said:
the unions that demanded the bailouts of GM will have their shorts in a knot
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The unions demanded the bailouts? Why did Bush agree to them?
 
TurtleDude said:
I suspect anyone who isn't a socialist or a far left dem is "far right" to you.

the uber rich are often the biggest fans of welfare socialism and other schemes that end up concentrating wealth in the hands of the government. the uber rich find it more efficient to trade with an entity that has a concentrated amount of wealth rather than trading with lots of entities with some wealth
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You don't see that incredibly weak arguments like that are counter-productive?
 
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AdamT said:
The unions demanded the bailouts? Why did Bush agree to them?
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because Bush is a politician
 
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