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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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teamosil said:
You just fundamentally don't understand that taxes are related to income. If person A pays 15% of their income back in taxes, and person B pays 30%, every dollar that gets diverted to person A instead of person B we lose $0.15. The top 1% gets nearly a quarter of our GDP. When they pay only half the tax rate overall that working people pay, that costs our society enormously. If the entire top 1% paid only 15% that would cost us $525 billion every year. We can't afford to keep throwing that money out the window like that. They need to pay their fair share just like everybody else has to.
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I really tire of your sanctimonious nonsense that I don't "understand" something. Your definition of fair share is based purely on what someone has rather than what someone GETS. I reject that assumption. I oppose the marxist attitude that because you have more you ought to pay more. YOU AGAIN LIE claiming that the rich pay only half the rate that working people pay. that is a lie because it is based on trying to incorporate non-progressive taxes that cannot be accurately measured by income class into a progressive federal scheme.

that 47% PAY NO INCOME TAX COSTS US billions using your concept of cost. but what really costs us BILLIONS is all the stuff the middle and lower classes demand in entitlements that they are not willing to pay for

your concept of fair is a joke
 
haymarket said:
Actually the poster just gave you a perfect example of apple pie red white and blue Americanism.
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again, I don't think far left welfare socialists really speak for America
 
AdamT said:
And it's crap why? Because it makes too much sense? Too ethical?
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NO because it is blatantly unfair and allows the parasite mentality to make others pay for what they want
 
teamosil said:
They pay more as an absolute amount of course, but that isn't what is relevant. They pay much, much, less as a percentage of their income or as a percentage of the total taxes paid of those types. Like you hear people say "the top 1% pays 30% of all taxes" or whatever, but really what they mean is "30% of federal income taxes" and then when you include all federal taxes, it turns out it's actually closer to 15%. And then when you include all taxes it's closer to 10%. That kind of intentional distortion to try to get people to support giving even more tax breaks to the people who need them the least is immoral in my view.
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Isn't relevant?
Yep, what I thought it all boils down to money envy and your opinion.
 
TurtleDude said:
NO because it is blatantly unfair and allows the parasite mentality to make others pay for what they want
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It's unfair that you pay more taxes when you make more money? Astonishing.
 
AdamT said:
It's unfair that you pay more taxes when you make more money? Astonishing.
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What is unfair is that many others don't pay for what they use when they can. but politicians don't want to lose THIER votes so they claim we need to pay more
 
Centinel said:
Taking other people's stuff in order to give it to others is not ethical.
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Nor is telling people that others ought to pay more so those people will be both resentful of the rich and vote for the pimps who say that
 
TurtleDude said:
again, I don't think far left welfare socialists really speak for America
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Once again, anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a welfare socialist according to the warriors of the right.
 
Centinel said:
Taking other people's stuff in order to give it to others is not ethical.
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It isn't taking other people's stuff in order to give it to others. It is collecting revenue to pay for our government.
 
haymarket said:
Once again, anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a welfare socialist according to the warriors of the right.
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well you just claimed in another thread that Newt won because of the radical right. Now I sort of agreed with you but the fact remains, you and AdamT are among the farthest left on this board when it comes to tax issues though your calls for everyone paying some income tax softens that a fair bit
 
AdamT said:
It isn't taking other people's stuff in order to give it to others. It is collecting revenue to pay for our government.
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that is the statist apology for income redistribution. Its actually taking from some to buy the votes of more. when we see people whining about the rich not paying their fair share its not about efficient revenue collection. Its about using the tax code to "get even" for the unfortunate or unproductive

its the classic case of afflicting the comfortable based on the vote buying lie of comforting the afflicted
 
winston53660 said:
I don't think people stock piling ammunition do either.
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I bet far more people are buying ammo than are welfare socialists but are you trying to divert things?
 
TurtleDude said:
that is the statist apology for income redistribution. Its actually taking from some to buy the votes of more. when we see people whining about the rich not paying their fair share its not about efficient revenue collection. Its about using the tax code to "get even" for the unfortunate or unproductive

its the classic case of afflicting the comfortable based on the vote buying lie of comforting the afflicted
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You really need to get over your envy and martyr complex. People don't hate the rich. Most folks don't envy the rich. It's simply a question of funding the government, and when you have to raise substantial revenue it only makes sense to turn to those who have most of the money.
 
TurtleDude said:
well you just claimed in another thread that Newt won because of the radical right. Now I sort of agreed with you but the fact remains, you and AdamT are among the farthest left on this board when it comes to tax issues though your calls for everyone paying some income tax softens that a fair bit
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Turtle - I know very few people on the far left who call for tax increases on people making dollar one. That sort of talk would not endear me to many on the left... let alone the far left.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is the statist apology for income redistribution. Its actually taking from some to buy the votes of more. when we see people whining about the rich not paying their fair share its not about efficient revenue collection. Its about using the tax code to "get even" for the unfortunate or unproductive

its the classic case of afflicting the comfortable based on the vote buying lie of comforting the afflicted
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Oliver Wendell Holmes said it best

Taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society.

To couch taxation in right wing extremist terms like theft or confiscation is just extremist nonsense that fools nobody except those who already prostrate themselves before the extremist altar.
 
AdamT said:
It isn't taking other people's stuff in order to give it to others. It is collecting revenue to pay for our government.
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Collecting revenue is taking people's stuff.
 
AdamT said:
You really need to get over your envy and martyr complex. People don't hate the rich. Most folks don't envy the rich. It's simply a question of funding the government, and when you have to raise substantial revenue it only makes sense to turn to those who have most of the money.
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The only envy on this thread comes from you and a couple others who whine about Romney and whine about the rich.
 
TurtleDude said:
The only envy on this thread comes from you and a couple others who whine about Romney and whine about the rich.
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Who is whining about Romney? I keep saying he is the one I fear the most in November and is the only GOP candidate who can win.

In fact, I salute Mitt and take my hat off to him. When he does reveal his taxes, the results will so shock most Americans that it will force a long overdue national debate on the issue of taxation and the discriminatory preferences given to capital gains.

He is doing America and its people a great service and I sincerely thank him for that.
 
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haymarket said:
Oliver Wendell Holmes said it best

Taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society.

To couch taxation in right wing extremist terms like theft or confiscation is just extremist nonsense that fools nobody except those who already prostrate themselves before the extremist altar.
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When the government takes people's stuff, it is not theft. It is taxation, which is definitely not theft, because theft is illegal and taxation is legal. See, it's totally different.
 
Centinel said:
Collecting revenue is taking people's stuff.
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well our welfare socialists believe that all wealth belongs to the government or at least everyone has a share of it as their goddess-mother Elizabeth Warren has told them. after all, they think that if they exist within the same geopolitical area as we do, they have contributed to our wealth and thus we have to share it with them. so when the government confiscates wealth through the tax system, they believe that the people, through their surrogates, are merely taking back what was their's to begin with
 
haymarket said:
Who is whining about Romney? I keep saying he is the one I fear the most in November and is the only GOP candidate who can win.

In fact, I salute Mitt and take my hat off to him. When he does reveal his taxes, the results will so shock most Americans that it will force a long overdue national debate on the issue of taxation and the discriminatory preferences given to capital gains.

He is doing America and its people a great service and I sincerely thank him for that.
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I concede that you have said that before about Romney but I also believe you think he should be bashed on this issue. as you can see I was addressing AdamT and did not mention you
 
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