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DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

Meathead said:
I understand. If it is illegal to cast a vote without ID, how can you stop legal voting unless you prevent someone from voting who has ID?
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In Crawford, the Supreme Court found insufficient evidence of the burden
of Indiana’s voter ID law to overcome the state’s interest in sustaining
the law.120 This Essay supports previous studies in finding that voter ID laws
impose a real burden on voter turnout. Based on my finding that states with
voter ID laws experienced a 1.6 to 2.2 percentage point decline in 2006 voter
turnout, 3 to 4.5 million voters were disenfranchised by the laws. As Justice
Souter reasoned in his Crawford dissent,121 where a court finds evidence of a
real burden on voters, a state must advance stronger interests than those
relied on by Indiana in Crawford to defend its contested voting regulation.122
Otherwise, voter ID laws fail the Court’s balancing test and must be found
unconstitutional. In future as-applied challenges to voter ID laws, petitioners
should use studies such as this one to quantify the nontrivial burden of
disenfranchisement.
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http://journalistsresource.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Voter-ID-and-Turnout.pdf
 
Karl said:
It is not illegal to cast a vote without ID in many locations. Not all states have the same laws.

The argument is that in a state where a photo ID is not currently required, some people who do not currently have a photo ID would not vote if the law was changed to require a photo ID. Even though they are legal to vote (they don't want to get, or cannot get, the ID -- which is not simple to get).
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If the law is changed, then they would not be able to vote legally without presenting ID at the polls, thus no legal votes would be prevented.

Sorry, this is beginning to resemble some Monty Python sketch.
 
Meathead said:
If the law is changed, then even they would not be able to vote legally without ID, thus no legal votes would be prevented.

Sorry, this is beginning to resemble some Monty Python sketch.
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Yes, of course that is a tautology -- not an argument.

The point is that the laws make it more difficult to vote legally and thus suppress voter turnout.
 
Again, requiring voters to have IDs does not stop election fraud. Election fraud is done by the poll workers.

What would eliminate 99% of general election voter fraud would be to have each poll staffed by people from both political parties and the precinct report required to be signed by a representative of both parties.
 
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VanceMack said:
Not at all. Its histrionic BS. People show ID for damn near everything. They show it to get basic services. The pretense that gosh...they just don't have any legal ID, and don't have it for every basic service, but would be responsible enough to vote is a joke. [...]
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In 2006, the Brennan Center published the results of a telephone survey conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation (ORC), an independent market research firm, on the number of voting-age Americans who have government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship. 11% of all respondents to that survey did not have ready access to government-issued photo ID; the percentages of those without ID were even higher for certain demographic groups.

Debunking Misinformation on Photo ID | Brennan Center for Justice
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The [Wisconsin] population of elderly persons 65 and older without a drivers license or a state photo ID totals 177,399, and of these 70 percent are women [...] An estimated 98,247 Wisconsin residents ages 35 through 64 also do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID.

http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/barriers/DriversLicense.pdf
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"Histrionic BS", you say? :roll:



Not only does the GOP want to push granny off the cliff, they don't even want to let her vote on the way down (sorry, couldn't resist ;) )
 
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As Justice
Souter reasoned in his Crawford dissent,121 where a court finds evidence of a
real burden on voters, a state must advance stronger interests than those
relied on by Indiana in Crawford to defend its contested voting regulation.122

Joko, do you know what a dissent opinion means?

Antifa guy, a tautology should be obvious and not have to be repeated ad nauseum.

Thanks
 
haymarket said:
This is my 40th year of voting in public elections. I have never had to provide anything but my signature which is matched against the duplicate of the voters application I filled out to register to vote. The person behind the desk simply matches them up and I vote.

There never has been any problem.
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While I'm sure you know this, you sir have been breaking the law or soon will be...in your state I believe...:


Due to a recent court ruling, every Michigan voter must present picture identification at the polls, or sign an affidavit attesting that he or she is not in possession of picture identification.

SOS - A Guide to Voter Identification at the Polls

It is now YOUR opportunity to promote YOUR voice IN YOUR STATE to repeal this photo ID issue…if you are so inclined. I would suggest others that pontificate on this issue to check their OWN laws. If they reside in states who have such laws that they disagree with I suggest their time would be better served organizing efforts to repeal them rather than posting opinions on DP…
 
Dickieboy said:
While I'm sure you know this, you sir have been breaking the law or soon will be...in your state I believe...:


Due to a recent court ruling, every Michigan voter must present picture identification at the polls, or sign an affidavit attesting that he or she is not in possession of picture identification.

SOS - A Guide to Voter Identification at the Polls

It is now YOUR opportunity to promote YOUR voice IN YOUR STATE to repeal this photo ID issue…if you are so inclined. I would suggest others that pontificate on this issue to check their OWN laws. If they reside in states who have such laws that they disagree with I suggest their time would be better served organizing efforts to repeal them rather than posting opinions on DP…
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As the quote you posted indicates, the Michigan law does NOT require a photo ID to vote.
 
AdamT said:
As the quote you posted indicates, the Michigan law does NOT require a photo ID to vote.
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You're right, one has an option. But that is not what Hay indicated he did...so what is your point?
 
Wasn't that from the site I linked to?
 
Dickieboy said:
You're right, one has an option. But that is not what Hay indicated he did...so what is your point?
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Apparently this is a new law. My point is that he can still vote without showing an ID, simply by signing a form stating that he doesn't have an ID. What's your point?
 
AdamT said:
Apparently this is a new law. My point is that he can still vote without showing an ID, simply by signing a form stating that he doesn't have an ID. What's your point?
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If he HAS a photo ID and signs an affidavit stating he does not is that not fraud? Given how Hay describes what he does I seriously doubt he is without photo ID...

If you are having trouble figuring out the point go back to his originating post and follow the logic.
 
Correction, no fraud is committed. The rules allow signature of affidavit for 'forgotten' id's.
 
Dickieboy said:
If he HAS a photo ID and signs an affidavit stating he does not is that not fraud? Given how Hay describes what he does I seriously doubt he is without photo ID...

If you are having trouble figuring out the point go back to his originating post and follow the logic.
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I think the confusion is in your irrational chain of thought -- not in the thread flow. First, under the law you can have ID and still vote without showing it. You just have to indicate that you don't have it WITH you. I can't imagine that Haymarket would lie in a sworn statement for no reason, and there is no reason because this law is not objectionable.
 
AdamT said:
I think the confusion is in your irrational chain of thought -- not in the thread flow. First, under the law you can have ID and still vote without showing it. You just have to indicate that you don't have it WITH you.
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Other than the snide comment, I posted that correction simultaneously.

…and there is no reason because this law is not objectionable.
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If you have no objection to this law how is it any different than the others?
 
Dickieboy said:
If you have no objection to this law how is it any different than the others?
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The MI law provides that you don't have to have a photo ID. Pretty obvious, no?
 
Karl said:
"Histrionic BS", you say? :roll:



Not only does the GOP want to push granny off the cliff, they don't even want to let her vote on the way down (sorry, couldn't resist ;) )
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they dont require a drivers license and I guess they better get one of those for free voter IDs. Its really not that hard now is it. Instead of spending months bitching about it, do it. An ID card is vital to health care services, banking needs, buying cigarettes for Gods sake. Ah...but its a CONSTITUTIONAL issue...right? Got a problem with requiring people to show ID to purchase firearms and exercise their constitutional rights?

Its a silly argument. Fraud happens. Wouldst that we didnt have so many in this country that were such liars and cheats, but...sadly...it happens. East St Louis. Wisconsin. Kentucky (republicans). Vote buying, voter fraud...to say nothing of the literally hundreds of thousands of illegal voter registration acts by (shocking) democrat backed agencies.
 
There is no indication of any serious voter fraud problem in this country. Bush's DOJ made voter fraud a priority, and their efforsts resulted in exactly ZERO convictions. Incidents where dead people supposedly voted have been investigated in the past, and AFAIK they all turned out to be nothing. This is a non-existent problem that Republicans are trying to use to suppress Democratic voter turnout. What else is new?
 
AdamT said:
The MI law provides that you don't have to have a photo ID. Pretty obvious, no?
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Sooo, the others don't have this same or similar provision?
 
Dickieboy said:
Sooo, the others don't have this same or similar provision?
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Not as far as I know. If they do I have no objection to them -- except to the extent that they're a waste of time and money.
 
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