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Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

Thorgasm said:
Because Oppenheimer didn't work for all the other nuclear powers.
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I suggest you read the post I was quoting and try again. This response has nothing to do with either.
 
TheNextEra said:
Whomever the person(s) were that did the assasination should be tried and shot at the very least.
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Shot ?? Maybe we should just stone him like the barbarians in Iran do.
 
Gill said:
Shot ?? Maybe we should just stone him like the barbarians in Iran do.
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No different than what the cowardly barbarians did when they killed a civilian scientist.
 
Thorgasm said:
I should have said "nuclear scientists". :roll:

That doesn't mean that all Iranians should be afraid as your post implied.
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If someone is murdered in a certain area it does create a fear for those people in that area that one of them could be the next victim.It does not make the murderer a terrorist. Much the same way when one nuclear scientist is assassinated it might create a fear among the other Iranian nuclear scientists that one of them might be the next victim, it does not any shape or form make this act of assassination an act of terrorism.
 
muciti said:
So one murder is ok by you but the other is not?
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I believe in the death penalty for crimes of murder. How is a trial and execution murder? Are you against the death penalty?
 
Thorgasm said:
It's not like the target was unique and irreplaceable.
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Sure, but for all we know he's heading the project or a large competitor and this could set them back.

I want to be clear...I do not support the assasination but it is an assasination. I don't agree with using the term terrorism because it's not correct....and assasinating someone is just as bad! there's no reason to confuse the issue. The US should not be assasinating people.
 
Wonder if this means that the poor fella being held in Iran is more likely to be executed now. Seems like this is bad timing for him.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/116509-report-iran-sentences-u-s-man-death-alleged-spying-3.html

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Read more at the American Presidency Project: John F. Kennedy: Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City. John F. Kennedy: Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City.
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mattillac said:
Wonder if this means that the poor fella being held in Iran is more likely to be executed now. Seems like this is bad timing for him.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...sentences-u-s-man-death-alleged-spying-3.html
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If he is a spy then Iran should execute him, just as any country should do if they catch a spy within their borders. If he is some dumb ass just at the wrong time and place then hopefully this teaches other Americans to stay the **** away from countries hostile to Americans.
 
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mattillac said:
Wonder if this means that the poor fella being held in Iran is more likely to be executed now. Seems like this is bad timing for him.
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Typical Iranian SOP to acquire a hostage or two.

Published: January 9, 2012

The sentence against the American, Amir Mirzaei Hekmati, 28, a former Marine, was likely to become a new point of contention, and possible bargaining leverage, in Iran’s struggle against the West over its nuclear program. The court’s order suggested that Iran was willing to go to new lengths to increase its leverage in dealing with what it views as American-led hostility over the nuclear program, which Iran says is for peaceful purposes but the United States, the European Union and Israel regard as a cloak to attain a nuclear weapon.​
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Source: NYTimes
 
TheNextEra said:
So the career choice of nuclear scientist is now ok to be assasinated? Wow, just wow.
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I suspect "career nuclear scientist" will not be a sufficient criterion.

Who they are working for may possibly be an additional qualification.
 
Gill said:
Neither one, but it does make it harder for them because they have a limited supply of qualified scientists.
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No problem__American universities are crankin out brand-new islamic nuclear physicists daily.

(and people say we don't care) :peace
 
Sorry not buying it. Just because they only targeted 1 person doesnt mean its not terrorism. Its terrorism. If it wasnt some crazy that killed him because he was crazy and was instead a plot hatched by CIA its terrorism.
 
TheNextEra said:
Show me the International law or even U.S. law that states a civilian working on a nuclear program can be targeted for assasination.
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When governments act outside the law and in violation of international treaties and borders, they call it "covert".

It's been going on since humans first stood up on two legs and plotted to take their neighbors sharpened dear antler.
 
See, this is what I'm talking about. A nice, peaceful way of ending Iran's nuclear program. Good policy Murica. Rescue some fishermen, kill a nuclear scientist. Our military is the greatest in the world!!!! The question is, how many fishermen equal one nuclear scientist? Hopefully our human credit broke even with that.
 
jamesrage said:
If he is a spy then Iran should execute him, just as any country should do if they catch a spy within their borders. If he is some dumb ass just at the wrong time and place then hopefully this teaches other Americans to stay the **** away from countries hostile to Americans.
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Yeah, how dare he visit his grandmother! :roll:
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, how dare he visit his grandmother! :roll:
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How about not automatically buying the party line? This guy owned a video gaming company that developed Middle Eastern game scenerios (such as the killing of Osama Bin Laden) and posted it on the internet. I personally find that business model a bit narrow. The company itself volunteered that over 200,000 downloads had come from within Iran. Was he visiting his family? Don't know. An anonymous investor helped keep the company afloat. Who was that anonymous investor? Was this guy a Tokyo Rose? Was there a chance he could be taken as one even if he wasn't?

Americans are so naive. We just think we're safe everywhere. Surprise. When you step out of the United States, you only have the rights a foreign country allows you to have. Even Mexico isn't 100% safe to stupid American travellers. Iran? Give me a break. Send Gram a letter.
 
jamesrage said:
If someone is murdered in a certain area it does create a fear for those people in that area that one of them could be the next victim.It does not make the murderer a terrorist. Much the same way when one nuclear scientist is assassinated it might create a fear among the other Iranian nuclear scientists that one of them might be the next victim, it does not any shape or form make this act of assassination an act of terrorism.
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When we are talking about foreign entities with opposing political agendas, it certainly could qualify.
 
It was an assassination with Mossad's fingerprints all over it. :shrug: Israel stands to lose the most if Iran gets a bomb, so I can't blame them for wanting to delay the inevitable. I hope they do delay it.

However, Iran WILL get nuclear weapons eventually. Every country that can afford them will have them eventually. Face it, a handful of countries that have their own nuclear weapons stockpile cannot stop hostile nations from trying to get them for themselves. In this world, I would hate to be the citizen of a non-nuclear country with a large number of nuclear enemies. It stands to reason such nations will do anything and everything to acquire such a deterrant. That doesn't mean I want countries like NK and Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. to have nukes. I don't. But I accept that someday, they will all have them. And when they do have them, they will eventually use them.
 
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