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Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

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the recess appointment position is automatically vacated if they don't approve it by the end of the session, but I believe they can vote to reject at any time during the session.

But they can no longer filibuster the nominations appointments, and that is key. These nominations appointments will not be rejected by the Senate at any time during the year. If the GOP would like to have an up or down vote, they can always do that. It would be hilariously ironic if Democrats decided to filibuster any attempt to reject any of the nominees appointees, even though Republicans would lose an up or down vote anyways. Shoe is on the other foot now. The moral of the story? If 'ya snooze, 'ya lose. :mrgreen:
 
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But they can no longer filibuster the nominations, and that is key. These nominations will not be rejected by the Senate at any time during the year.

and this, is what is driving the GOPers mad!!!!!!!!

:)
 
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Not familiar with plenary power. But would put forward that your premise may be more theory than reality. Suspect that in the current state of Washington, the Democrats in Congress can shield the CFPB from any restraint the GOP may try to place on it.

Potentially Obama has himself another one of those czar thingy's......:nails


Nope. The issue with the czars was that they were not confirmed by the Senate. This is simply the GOP not liking a Consumer Protection board and trying to do an end run to gut it.

Kind of a weasly thing.
 
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How many other "Consumer Protection" boards, agencies, etc...are there?


j-mac
 
The Senate has followed the proper protocols. Protocols that Obama's own Justice Department argued for. These protocols compel a President to act with the advice and consent of Congress. Such advice and consent Obama has shunned. Now Obama has taken a further unprecedented step to take power from the Legislative. The community organizer needs to be shown the door.

Soon he will appoint himself Dictator
 
Soon he will appoint himself Dictator

He is sure aiming in that direction, to the extent that such can be managed here in our eroding Republic. So long as he has his cabal of willing lemmings, who don't mind a ring in their nose with a rope attached, and that can find a gubmit teat to suck on, he will have his support.

"From my cold dead hands" is all I have to say.
 
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Should we start calling him King Barack?
I prefer the one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama.

I think he would be more comfortable with the title of Emperor and Dictator for life.

But I could be mistaken.
 
Everyone better keep a close eye on those 401Ks...Obama and gang have had their eyes on them since they came to DC...This Unconstitutional, Illegal appointment may just be the in they need to get their hands on them.


j-mac
 
The position in question isnt a cabinet position. It is a position created by the legislature. It is specific in it declares that the chairman must be approved by congress. That differs from the cabinet level positions. Secondly there are not as many oversight provisions in the agency as there are in Cabinet level positions. There is quite a lot of undefined gray area in this bill and this agency. Obama's decision to skirt the law process and make a recess appointment wherein there is no provision for one taints the objectives of the agency. Poison pill action so to speak.
 
Legislation doesn't have to provide for recess appointments. It's the default behavior.
 
He is sure aiming in that direction, to the extent that such can be managed here in our eroding Republic. So long as he has his cabal of willing lemmings, who don't mind a ring in their nose with a rope attached, and that can find a gubmit teat to suck on, he will have his support.

"From my cold dead hands" is all I have to say.

Soon he will appoint himself Dictator

Everyone better keep a close eye on those 401Ks...Obama and gang have had their eyes on them since they came to DC...This Unconstitutional, Illegal appointment may just be the in they need to get their hands on them.

I have a question for you kids. You make insane paranoid conspiracy theory predictions like this constantly. Many times a year. None of them ever turn out that way. Doesn't that ever make you consider the possibility that something is wrong with your analysis?
 
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Legislation doesn't have to provide for recess appointments. It's the default behavior.

Except when the legislation specifically identifies a process to be followed. And which was voted on by the Legislative, and signed by the Executive, only to then be ignored when the Legislative used its recognized protocols to compel a political compromise on further issues of contention, primarily due ot a huge swing in a mid-term election.

All of which is valid. Its your incompetent Obama who could not make the political adjustments. He's no Reagan. He's no Clinton. He might not even be on a level with Alfred E. Neuman at this point.
 
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Incorrect. Those are cabinet positions, but more importantly, none are funded by the Federal Reserve.

Negative - the new consumer department is directly funded by the Fed Reserve.
 
I have a question for you kids. You make insane paranoid conspiracy theory predictions like this constantly. Many times a year. None of them ever turn out that way. Doesn't that ever make you consider the possibility that something is wrong with your analysis?

I got your "kid" right here .. yeah, bend down .. right there. ;)
 
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Negative - the new consumer department is directly funded by the Fed Reserve.

You read it wrong., I was stating that Cabinet positions were different in that none of the Cabinet positions were funded by teeh FR, while this new department is. Read a little more before you post. It is well addressed in other posts.
 
I got your "kid" right here .. yeah, bend down .. right there. ;)

How about this. If Obama doesn't declare himself dictator, what will you change about the way you analyze problems like this so you don't miss the mark so badly the next time?
 
Except when the legislation specifically identifies a process to be followed. And which was voted on by the Legislative, and signed by the Executive, only to then be ignored when the Legislative used its recognized protocols to compel a political compromise on further issues of contention, primarily due ot a huge swing in a mid-term election.

All of which is valid.


I was wondering how this Administration was going to explain that appointment away? The Legislation was very clear on the point that the agency could not start until an appointee has been confirmed. A recess appointment is not confirmation.
 
How about this. If Obama doesn't declare himself dictator, what will you change about the way you analyze problems like this so you don't miss the mark so badly the next time?

Perhaps I won't have to trip over idiots who are administering to their own wang rather than engage in valid debate.
 
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You read it wrong., I was stating that Cabinet positions were different in that none of the Cabinet positions were funded by teeh FR, while this new department is. Read a little more before you post. It is well addressed in other posts.

unfortunately when you are reading through posts you reply to one when you read it, not after you have read everyone elses posts...keeps it less confusing...for me at least.
 
Legislation doesn't have to provide for recess appointments. It's the default behavior.


Except for that sticky little wicket, there was NO recess.


j-mac
 
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unfortunately when you are reading through posts you reply to one when you read it, not after you have read everyone elses posts...keeps it less confusing...for me at least.

I understand. Just a little frustrating at times to have to explain positions several times over. You and I are on the same page with this. Several good articles have been linked in the thread as well, all by Conservatives ... what a shock, eh ..... as there is no long term benefit to going nuclear as Obama did. He's an arrogant, inept, narcistic putz. But he has his lemming supporters, and they are a greater threat to the Republic than Obama, as Obama will be out of office, sooner or later. But the lemmings will still be lemmings.
 
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I understand. Just a little frustrating at times to have to explain positions several times over. You and I are on the same page with this. Several good articles have been linked in the thread as well, all by Conservatives ... what a shock, eh ..... as there is no long term benefit to going nuclear as Obama did. He's an arrogant, inept, narcistic putz. But he has his lemming supporters, and they are a greater threat to the Republic than Obama, as Obama will be out of office, sooner or later. But the lemmings will still be lemmings.

Unfortunately there are lemmings on both sides. Unfortunately they vote. Until the lemmings become extinct, we will be stuck to wallow in the muck together.
 
Perhaps I won't have to trip over idiots who are administering to their own wang rather than engage in valid debate.

How about answer the question. If you're going to make such an incredible statement as that you believe the president of the united states is going to declare himself dictator. The kind of statement that can lead to blood being spilled. How about if you make a statement like that, you take some ownership of what you are doing. If it turns out you are wrong, you make corrections rather than just going on and doing it over again next time. That seems like the very least you could do, no?
 
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Unfortunately there are lemmings on both sides. Unfortunately they vote. Until the lemmings become extinct, we will be stuck to wallow in the muck together.


The problem with determining lemmings is that we consider them to be extreme. Now it all depends on who is determining 0 on the scale of +10/-10.

j-mac
 
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