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Obama Defies Congress With ‘Recess’ Picks. Could Provoke Constitutional Fight.

jackalope said:
No, it's not relevant. Because having ideological or philosophical differences with the creation of a lawfully created body is not a reason to refuse to confirm anyone to the post heading up the agency. Their constitutional job is to advise and consent, not refuse to do their job.
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I wonder if you felt this way, and I know this is on the state level but, did you feel this way concerning WI?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I wonder if you felt this way, and I know this is on the state level but, did you feel this way concerning WI?


j-mac
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What is WI, j?
 
j-mac said:
Again, you really don't read anything that doesn't agree with your opinion do you?

The CFPB is not funded by congress, it is funded by the Fed. and the oversight committees do not have oversight...So I don't know where you get your info from, if anywhere, but it is wrong.

j-mac
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the head of all Federal agencies can be impeached.
 
Cole said:
Guess our opinions just differ....
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Yes, and I'm kind of surprised at that. Refusal to confirm anyone at all is a purely partisan position the GOP has taken. You usually don't stand up for stupid partisan maneuvers.
 
Thunder said:
indeed, refusing to allow ANYONE to run this new agency, is not why the Senate has filibuster powers.

if they don't like the agency, then vote it out or defund it...or amend it.

that is the only democratic way of dealing with this issue.
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Yup. They lost the debate, and lost the vote, and now are going to bat for Wall Street, dirty-style.
 
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jackalope said:
Yup. They lost the debate, and lost the vote, and now are going to back for Wall Street, dirty-style.
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You all didn't win ****! Obama pulled a massively unconstitutional stunt for his re election campaign, and you lemmings fell for it.

j-mac
 
Thunder said:
the head of all Federal agencies can be impeached.
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And what is the threshold vote for that ? And if it is higher then the vote to simply defund, or change the governing law, then why should anyone accept a different accountability than is the norm ?
 
j-mac said:
Wisconsin

j-mac
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ROFL !!! As if following state law in pursuing a recall has anything at all in common with refusing to perform your Constitutional duties.


Unless you mean when the Dem Senators left the state ..... if you mean that, and not the recall (God, I hope you're not flailing around trying to equate the recall with this temper tantrum). If that's what you mean, interesting question.


Very similar, and yet still different. They had no plans on staying out of state to deny a quorum for the rest of the term, and thus were not refusing to perform their duties. They planned, and successfully accomplished, to thrust the issue into the public consciousness to let the voters know wth was going on in their state capitol.


100k+ in the streets, and historic recalls followed. They accomplished what they set out to do.



This is not at all what the GOP is doing. They are not trying to raise public awareness, they hope the public doesn't notice that they are trying to attempt extra-legal efforts to kill a board meant to protect consumer interests.

Obama picking the fight in the manner he did puts the issue squarely IN the public's consciousness. And guess what - I predict they'll think what the GOP are trying to do is bull****.
 
j-mac said:
You all didn't win ****! Obama pulled a massively unconstitutional stunt for his re election campaign, and you lemmings fell for it.

j-mac
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:lamo Like I said, the more I hear of the right's objections to this, the MORE I like it. Bring it.



lmfao
 
jackalope said:
so, what, are you just making this **** up as you go?
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well you see, by admitting that the Director of this agency can be impeached by Congress, that would acknowledge a form of oversight over the agency by Congress....which would of course destroy his whole argument.

:)
 
jackalope said:
so, what, are you just making this **** up as you go?
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Not at all...


The CFPB Is Unaccountable

* Consumer Financial Protection BureauUnaccountable Excess: Largely unaccountable to Congress and imbued with sweeping powers, the agency is the epitome of regulatory excess. Because the bureau is ensconced within the Federal Reserve, its budget is not subject to congressional control. This budgetary independence limits congressional oversight of the agency.
* No Congressional Oversight: Although some financial regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Fed itself, also fall outside the congressional appropriations process, they are the exceptions rather than the rule among government agencies.
* No Presidential or Fed Supervision, Either: The CFPB’s status within the Fed effectively precludes presidential oversight, while the Federal Reserve is statutorily prohibited from “intervening” in CFPB affairs.
* Undefined Authority Risks Abuses of Power: The CFPB’s accountability is further minimized by the vague language of its statutory mandate. It is empowered to punish “unfair, deceptive and abusive” business practices. While unfair and deceptive have been defined in other regulatory contexts, the term abusive is largely undefined, granting the CFPB officials inordinate discretion to define its own powers.
* Veto of Bureau Actions Exceedingly Narrow: The Financial Stability Oversight Council may exercise oversight of the CFPB only if bureau actions would endanger the “safety and soundness of the United States banking system or the stability of the financial system of the United States.” Any veto of CFPB action would also require the approval of two-thirds of the council’s 10-member board.

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau: Unaccountable and Costly
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j-mac
 
Thunder said:
just because you don't like what he did, doesn't make it unConstitutional.
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No, what makes it unconstitutional, is that IT IS unconstitutional...I suggest you read your constitution, and pay close attention to section 5.

j-mac
 
the CFPB's Director and all other personnel, can be impeached by Congress.

they are indeed, accountable.
 
Thunder said:
the CFPB's Director and all other personnel, can be impeached by Congress.

they are indeed, accountable.
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Show us, if you can....

* No Congressional Oversight: Although some financial regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Fed itself, also fall outside the congressional appropriations process, they are the exceptions rather than the rule among government agencies.
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j-mac
 
Thunder said:
i assume 50% of both Houses.
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Does "progressive" mean that one posts without knowing the issue ? You have claimed Impeachment as an adequate oversight tool. I pointed out to you that it was not a usual form of oversight, suggesting that it had different voter thresholds required than usual oversight mechanisms, which would clearly alter its oversight capacity. And you respond by showing that you do not know what you are talking about.

2/3rd majority in the Senate. U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Origins & Development > Powers & Procedures > Impeachment

You are that close to my Ignore List. If you do not care enough to at least attempt to be informed when you post, then I surely do not give two craps about reading what you have to say. Slow down a little, and try to post better. It will benefit you.
 
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