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Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

Seriously? 239 vehicles affected? :lol:

When every other car manufacturer regularly issues recalls affecting hundreds of thousands of vehicles?

No, only 50 vehicles are afflicted with this issue.

Funny enough, they have only sold 50 of the vehicles. The other 189 are still sitting on dealer showrooms or on the factory parking lot.
 
Toyota is recalling 420,000 gas burners.
Toyota recalling 420,000 cars - Nov. 9, 2011
I suppose this happened because, "we are having unproven tech pushed on us before it is ready to be released, all because it is ideologically driven." Would that be your assessment?


You missed the point. The funny of the whole situation...

Fiskar said they couldnt find anyone in the US capable of assembling this car so thats why they took the US tax money over to Finland to assemble the car...because they have the "know how" and yet all that know how they have, they put the damn coolant hose assembly on wrong causing thermal reactions with the batteries and causing fires.

If thats technical savvy and know how, I would hate to see inexperience.

Reality, Fiscar took US money and ran to Finland with it because the tax rates on corporations are about half what they are here in the US and tried to save face for them and the administration (after Biden boasted and bragged about the loan) by saying there wasnt anyone here who could do the work.
 
You missed the point. The funny of the whole situation...

Fiskar said they couldnt find anyone in the US capable of assembling this car so thats why they took the US tax money over to Finland to assemble the car...because they have the "know how" and yet all that know how they have, they put the damn coolant hose assembly on wrong causing thermal reactions with the batteries and causing fires.

If thats technical savvy and know how, I would hate to see inexperience.

Reality, Fiscar took US money and ran to Finland with it because the tax rates on corporations are about half what they are here in the US and tried to save face for them and the administration (after Biden boasted and bragged about the loan) by saying there wasnt anyone here who could do the work.

I didn't miss the point of the OP. j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???) and 2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven. I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.

Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn. Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment. I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.
 
j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???)

Can you all see what goes on here with these dishonest liberals folks?

I never said one damned word about 'hose clamps'....That for anyone with reading comprehension, and the ability to be truthful on these boards was a rather banal comment made by a lib, in a mocking effort to dismiss what I said, followed up by a bevy of other libs piling on and repeating the false narrative of that stupid comment. Now we get to this post and all the sudden it is somehow fact in this posters mind that this is what I was saying....See how this works? Allenski would be proud.

2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven.

The production of these cars is absolutely ideologically driven. If it were market driven we'd see many more of these cars on the road instead of in the lot. Second, if this were not driven by this so called 'green' race, and the rush to grab millions of yours and my money for free, and in this case to shuffle off to Europe to produce this fire hazard, then you tell me why this company has only sold 50 cars, and others that make these hybrids are not selling them either?

I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.

Compared to combustion engine technology, the numbers in use are nowhere close to comparable. I will however say that in this country, poorly made products, whether they are old tech, or new tech do not last on the market. No matter how much of my hard earned dollars you throw at it.

Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn.

They took our money to develop this car, it should have been a requirement, not a preference.

Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment.

It would help the President's standing if we didn't see a pattern of funneling this taxpayer money out to crony's of the administration, and money bundlers for the Obama campaign apparatus. If this were a republican administration funneling money to their crony's, the left in this country would be losing their mind slamming them, so cry me a river that Obama rightly comes under scrutiny for these choices.

I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.

I had no idea that 'status quot' was the message of Obama...I could have sworn that he campaigned on 'Hope, and Change'.....Seems like an awful lot of excuse making for this failure of a President.


j-mac
 
I didn't miss the point of the OP. j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???) and 2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven. I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.

Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn. Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment. I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.

Well, it is a slap in the face to this administration where-as it is another "investment" to create jobs that has backfired on them. Either that or no one told them that were supposed to create jobs HERE....oops

And I understand that the auto industry is getting parts from all over the world, but to take tax payer dollars to build a "green" car and create jobs here...then up and decide that there isnt enough skilled labor in the US? Thats even too far fetched for anyone to believe.

Caterpilar opening up a new plant in China...with US tax payer money
Solandra etc... and that whole "pay off your campaign supporter" bull...with tax payer money
Jeff Imelt (sp?) from GE being appointed as jobs czar to create jobs here in the US - while closing its Mich plant, laying off those workers and moving those jobs to China

Either this administration is completely inept or just plain stupidly obvious that it cares more for their campaign supporters and donors than it does the American people.


And where is this energy to plug in these cars supposed to come from? The foreign oil we are trying so hard to break away from or the fossil fuel plants Obama has sworn to tax out of existence (his words, not mine).
AEP (American Electric Power) has already stated that it will close 5 power generating facilities in the US in 2012 because of new EPA regulations laying off approximately 15,000 workers.

I agree that we need to work on alternative energy sources, but we cant keep cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We have enough oil between the US & Canada to completely eliminate the need for overseas foreign crude. We should exploit those resources, creating jobs and thus a larger tax base rather than sending money overseas to countries that despise us.

In addition, the second those companies who took federal monies (our tax dollars) announced they were opening new plants abroad, they should have been made to give back the tax payer money....money we dont have to start with and had to borrow.
 
No, there is a fire hazard because we are having unproven tech pushed on us before it is ready to be released, all because it is ideologically driven.


j-mac

You do realize how many recalls that other car companies do each year right? That pales in comparison to this. In fact I would find it more alarming that so called "proven" technology gets recalled more than this model of car. Gimme a break.
 
You do realize how many recalls that other car companies do each year right? That pales in comparison to this. In fact I would find it more alarming that so called "proven" technology gets recalled more than this model of car. Gimme a break.


Fires with these hybrids are not an isolated incident....

j-mac
 
Fires with these hybrids are not an isolated incident....

j-mac

And they aren't in any numbers like the recalls with gas tanks that we have seen in other "proven" technology car manufacturers. Again, you are trying to make something bigger, when in fact, it is smaller than what other car manufacturers have problems with.
 
And they aren't in any numbers like the recalls with gas tanks that we have seen in other "proven" technology car manufacturers. Again, you are trying to make something bigger, when in fact, it is smaller than what other car manufacturers have problems with.


Percentage wise I think you need to back that up....Please show where more spontaneous battery fires break out on combustion engine vehicles as opposed to these hybrids....I think you are full of it, and talking out of your arse.


j-mac
 
Percentage wise I think you need to back that up....Please show where more spontaneous battery fires break out on combustion engine vehicles as opposed to these hybrids....I think you are full of it, and talking out of your arse.


j-mac

I never claimed that fires in batteries broke out in combustion engines. I said that other car manufacturers have had recalls in serious things like gas tanks, accelerator pedals, ect. in far greater numbers than recalls in hybrids.

Maybe you should try reading instead of foaming at the mouth.
 
I never claimed that fires in batteries broke out in combustion engines. I said that other car manufacturers have had recalls in serious things like gas tanks, accelerator pedals, ect. in far greater numbers than recalls in hybrids.

Maybe you should try reading instead of foaming at the mouth.


Well, let's keep it apples to apples....So your direction is to disingenuously the entirety of recalls of conventional autos, to that of a specific problem with hybrids, involving their battery tech....Why is it that you can't argue your point on a level playing field?

Food for thought for you Era....Fisker isn't the only, nor the first to have these problems in the battery area concerning hybrid battery tech....

Chevy Volt Battery Fires Threaten All Electric Vehicle Makers, Not Just GM - Forbes


j-mac
 
Well, let's keep it apples to apples....So your direction is to disingenuously the entirety of recalls of conventional autos, to that of a specific problem with hybrids, involving their battery tech....Why is it that you can't argue your point on a level playing field?

No, I think I will keep my comparisons just as they are because they are valid. The simple fact you try to dodge is that other car manufacturers have in greater numbers had more recalls due to serious factors than hybrids. This is FACT.

Food for thought for you Era....Fisker isn't the only, nor the first to have these problems in the battery area concerning hybrid battery tech....

Chevy Volt Battery Fires Threaten All Electric Vehicle Makers, Not Just GM - Forbes


j-mac

Food for thought, how many designs, recalls, problems have the conventional automobile gone through in it's lifetime to date? New techonology will inherantly bring new problems. It doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water.

If everyone thought as you, we'd still be using the horse and buggy because the "new" techonology of the automobile had serious problems in the beginning.
 
No, I think I will keep my comparisons just as they are because they are valid.

Of course you will, because you can not prove your disingenuous pap unless you use false analogies. Sorry to say that a recall involving say replacement of a hood latch on say a 2007 Ford F150, is not the same as a hybrid bursting into flame in your garage, and burning your damned house down....In fact it is dishonest to further this path of argument.

The simple fact you try to dodge is that other car manufacturers have in greater numbers had more recalls due to serious factors than hybrids. This is FACT.

I am not dodging anything. I am saying that your current path of debate at the moment is false, and disingenuous. Tell you what, why don't we debate the similarities between Basketballs, and Helicopters...Sounds about the same to me.

Food for thought, how many designs, recalls, problems have the conventional automobile gone through in it's lifetime to date?

Doesn't matter unless you can show as a percentage of new vehicles sold in the US had as a percentage more recall due to fire hazard break out, than did hybrids in 2011. Otherwise, your comparison is flawed, and false. Purposely so I contend.

New techonology will inherantly bring new problems. It doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water.

You are right about this part. I agree that there will be problems with new tech as it is developed forward, and the bugs must be worked out. But I think that the problem that many have with this is that we are having this tech pushed before the bugs are worked out. Not to mention that at the same time the resource for conventional vehicles is being artificially made more expensive to also push this. Also, not to mention that in addition to the crony corrupt manner in which green energy is being pursued, along with subsidizing the purchase of these cars with my tax dollars is disgusting. The market is shouting that they don't want this, yet libs put arguments in favor that are deeply flawed.

If everyone thought as you, we'd still be using the horse and buggy because the "new" techonology of the automobile had serious problems in the beginning.

Not at all. If these are good ideas, then they will prevail on their own. Nothing succeeds when it is forced on people.

j-mac
 
Hey, a friend of mine had a BMW 5-series that burst into flames and literally burned her house down last year. Pretty sure it wasn't a hybrid.

My wife has been driving a Highlander Hybrid for going on six years and hasn't had a single drivetrain issue.
 
Hey, a friend of mine had a BMW 5-series that burst into flames and literally burned her house down last year. Pretty sure it wasn't a hybrid.

My wife has been driving a Highlander Hybrid for going on six years and hasn't had a single drivetrain issue.

I am sure that your anecdotal evidence, and observation has just solved the entire argument. Good job.

j-mac
 
If that keystone pipeline gets going, maybe that trade deficit will really start narrowing.

Unfortunately the importation of oil more than offsets the export of refined fuel.
 
I am sure that your anecdotal evidence, and observation has just solved the entire argument. Good job.

j-mac

Yeah, it's about as meaningful as citing a recall affecting 239 cars. :lol:
 
Unfortunately the importation of oil more than offsets the export of refined fuel.

I don't think the oil moved through the pipeline would count as a purchased import.
 
You do realize how many recalls that other car companies do each year right? That pales in comparison to this. In fact I would find it more alarming that so called "proven" technology gets recalled more than this model of car. Gimme a break.

Yes your right it does pale in comparison but it is not similar. ‘Fisker Automotive is recalling all 239 of its 2012 Karma luxury plug-in hybrid’. How many other car companies have recalled ALL they produced in a single year?
 
No, I think I will keep my comparisons just as they are because they are valid. The simple fact you try to dodge is that other car manufacturers have in greater numbers had more recalls due to serious factors than hybrids. This is FACT.

You are comparing a specific to a generality.

I think hybrid vehicles are a good start into the evolution of alternative fuel vehicles. But they have their specific "only to them" problems that combustion engine powered vehicles dont face. As a percentage of the automobile market, hybrids & electric cars have their issues with recalls and if you did the numbers you would find their % of recall is a lot higher than industry average. But thats to be expected with a new product.

As far as j-mac's point that they (Hybrid and electric car technology) are basically being shoved down our throats is correct. Using tax dollars to give inventiveness to buy a less than par product? Using tax dollars to bolster a product that not many people want because it isnt near ready yet or got the kinks worked out of it yet? $40,000 for a car that cant go more than 40 miles on a charge, less if you live in the mountains, use the air, heat or lights...people dont want that but yet we are having it shoved down our gullets.
 
Yeah, it's about as meaningful as citing a recall affecting 239 cars. :lol:

Funny thing is that the 239 car recall is every single car this company has ever made and 189 of them are still unsold. I guess they wont have an issue getting those 189 fixed huh?
 
Yes your right it does pale in comparison but it is not similar. ‘Fisker Automotive is recalling all 239 of its 2012 Karma luxury plug-in hybrid’. How many other car companies have recalled ALL they produced in a single year?

It's not surprising, given that it's a brand new model from a new manufacturer. But it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the fact that these are hybrids vs. oil burners. There are hundreds of thousands of hybrids on the roads running without problems.
 
You are comparing a specific to a generality.

As a percentage of the automobile market, hybrids & electric cars have their issues with recalls and if you did the numbers you would find their % of recall is a lot higher than industry average.

Is that a pure guess, or have you actually done the numbers?
 
It's not surprising, given that it's a brand new model from a new manufacturer. But it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the fact that these are hybrids vs. oil burners. There are hundreds of thousands of hybrids on the roads running without problems.

And hundreds of thousands have been recalled due to various problems.
 
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