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With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

Yeah! The Libbos have done a bang up job, since they got the reins. :lamo

A liberal president would have cut military spending by two-thirds.
 
Yeah! The Libbos have done a bang up job, since they got the reins. :lamo

Hint: Very few people in our government are actually liberal.
 
A liberal president would have cut military spending by two-thirds.

Well, no, it takes Congress to do that. Which points out how ridiculous our expectations of a president are, on both sides. They can't do everything. They can't snap their fingers and fix the economy or balance the budget.
 
Then why did he issue a signing statement?

So folks like yourself would have some sort of defense, no matter how weak, in defending him.
 
Well, no, it takes Congress to do that. Which points out how ridiculous our expectations of a president are, on both sides. They can't do everything. They can't snap their fingers and fix the economy or balance the budget.

He can propose a budget. Not that anyone would take it seriously.
 
Well, no, it takes Congress to do that. Which points out how ridiculous our expectations of a president are, on both sides. They can't do everything. They can't snap their fingers and fix the economy or balance the budget.

A liberal president would have made the case for reducing military spending by at least half, and pushed it with Congress.

The centrist Obama has made no such case.
 
What we need is a liberal.

No, at this point what we need is a candidate who is not a product of the machine -- not a party Democrat, not a party Republican. It wouldn't even matter what their personal politics are, just so long as they're not a member of The Sell-Out Club.
 
No, at this point what we need is a candidate who is not a product of the machine -- not a party Democrat, not a party Republican. It wouldn't even matter what their personal politics are, just so long as they're not a member of The Sell-Out Club.

I didn't say we needed a Democrat or a Republican. I said we needed a liberal. History shows us however that the majority of Americans prefer moderate candidates, which is why the 2008 race was between the moderate candidates of both parties. I'm willing to bet it will be the same in the November election, the moderate GOP candidate, Romney, against the moderate Democrat candidate, Obama.
 
You're full of lame excuses to justify your completely indefensible opinions tonight.


Yeah, I'm kind of bored with it....Just seems like the same ol' same ol'.... Guess my heart isn't in it tonight....


j-mac
 
I didn't say we needed a Democrat or a Republican. I said we needed a liberal. History shows us however that the majority of Americans prefer moderate candidates, which is why the 2008 race was between the moderate candidates of both parties. I'm willing to bet it will be the same in the November election, the moderate GOP candidate, Romney, against the moderate Democrat candidate, Obama.

In all fairness I would not call Obama a moderate in the 2008 race. He was one of the most liberal senators and mainly won the election (in my opinion) due to the dislike and distrust that Americans had for the Republicans (largely due to Bush's presidency).
 
I didn't say we needed a Democrat or a Republican. I said we needed a liberal. History shows us however that the majority of Americans prefer moderate candidates, which is why the 2008 race was between the moderate candidates of both parties. I'm willing to bet it will be the same in the November election, the moderate GOP candidate, Romney, against the moderate Democrat candidate, Obama.

I know you didn't say we needed a Democrat or a Republican. I'm saying we need -anything- so long as it's not a product of either of those parties -- liberal or conservative, I don't even care anymore.
 
In all fairness I would not call Obama a moderate in the 2008 race. He was one of the most liberal senators and mainly won the election (in my opinion) due to the dislike and distrust that Americans had for the Republicans (largely due to Bush's presidency).

Regardless of what you think Digsbe, Obama has led as a moderate. He's even too hawkish for conservative Ron Paul, much less a real liberal like Kucinch.
 
I know you didn't say we needed a Democrat or a Republican. I'm saying we need -anything- so long as it's not a product of either of those parties -- liberal or conservative, I don't even care anymore.

So which third party are you working for to help build their grassroots support?
 
Regardless of what you think Digsbe, Obama has led as a moderate. He's even too hawkish for conservative Ron Paul, much less a real liberal like Kucinch.

I think he has been forced to govern more moderately because he has a Republican majorty House to deal with. However, in 2008 when he ran for president I would not say (based on Obama's voting record as a senator) that he was a moderate. It will be interesting to see how Obama campaigns during the 2012 election and if his rhetoric will become more centrist in nature.
 
I think he has been forced to govern more moderately because he has a Republican majorty House to deal with. However, in 2008 when he ran for president I would not say (based on Obama's voting record as a senator) that he was a moderate.

Not me, I had heard Obama say he was not against all wars, just stupid wars like the one in Iraq. He clearly stated he planned to go hard in Afghanistan and wouldn't hesitate to go into Pakistan. So, I was under no impression Obama was a liberal when I voted for him. He was just better than the alternative, that is all.

It will be interesting to see how Obama campaigns during the 2012 election and if his rhetoric will become more centrist in nature.

He has the centrist record from this first term to run on.
 
God damnit Obama.... Acting like Bush i see?
Just goes to show ya. Dems and Repubs are pretty much the same....
Looks like your dreamboy ran up against reality.
 
There are no provisions in the Constitution that would allow a president to target an American citizen for death without due process either.

Not only that, but a citizen can not be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process" is pretty clear, too. What part of that does the current government not understand?
 
Not only that, but a citizen can not be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process" is pretty clear, too. What part of that does the current government not understand?

They aren't the only ones that do not understand. The bill didn't pass itself.
 
So, I was under no impression Obama was a liberal when I voted for him. He was just better than the alternative, that is all.

So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

"Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.
 
So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

"Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.

I've never known an accused killer to make it through the presidential candidate process, so your analogy is absurd.

Until man is perfect, there will always be one candidate that is thought to be superior to another, no matter how many candidates, or parties.
 
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So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

"Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.

I'm voting for Voldemort. No more lesser of evils for me.
 
Regardless of what you think Digsbe, Obama has led as a moderate. He's even too hawkish for conservative Ron Paul, much less a real liberal like Kucinch.

If Ron Paul is your picture perfect definition of conservative and Kucinich is the same for liberal, then yes...Obama is a moderate centrist.

As was George W. Bush

As is almost every politician that's significantly ran for POTUS.
 
If Ron Paul is your picture perfect definition of conservative and Kucinich is the same for liberal, then yes...Obama is a moderate centrist.

As was George W. Bush

As is almost every politician that's significantly ran for POTUS.

Yep, the majority of Americans pick moderates for presidents, that was my point. It explains why in 2008, we had moderates from both parties as the main contenders.

I'm willing to bet we have the party moderates again in November with Romney vs Obama.
 
Yep, the majority of Americans pick moderates for presidents, that was my point. It explains why in 2008, we had moderates from both parties as the main contenders.

I'm willing to bet we have the party moderates again in November with Romney vs Obama.

That's a pretty good bet.

It's also a good bet that moderate Romney will paint himself as "conservative", and will try to make us think that Obama is somewhere to the left of Maxine Waters. Meantime, Obama will be busy pointing out how many flips Romney has flopped, while busily sweeping those multi trillion dollar deficits under the carpet.

The bottom line: If the economy improves, it's likely to be Obama. If it doesn't Romney will probably be the next one getting the blame for the poor economy.

But, back to the subject of this thread: I don't want to see either of them with the power to detain Americans without trial.

And, even less do I want to see whoever succeeds them as next POTUS with that power. Who knows who that might be?

Or, it could be Perry with that power... now that's a scary thought, isn't it?
 
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