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Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

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Is this just blustering similar to what their neighbor Iraq was doing 10 years ago? Considering what's going on in the Gulf now, we could possibly be drawn into action by another Gulf Of Tonkin type of ruse. I think we need to be alert to the language of those who might rush in.

Iranian scientists have produced the nation's first nuclear fuel rod, a feat of engineering the West has doubted Tehran capable of, the country's nuclear agency said Sunday.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
 
we don't have the money or public support for another preemptive war, thankfully.

plus, it would be damned dumb. Iran is not isolated like Iraq; China and Russia are backing it.

if we want to have an impact on Iran, we should dedicate our resources to innovating a replacement for oil that can be produced domestically.
 
we don't have the money or public support for another preemptive war, thankfully.

plus, it would be damned dumb. Iran is not isolated like Iraq; China and Russia are backing it.

if we want to have an impact on Iran, we should dedicate our resources to innovating a replacement for oil that can be produced domestically.

China and Russia are bluffing! They will not go to war with the west over Iran...
 
we don't have the money or public support for another preemptive war, thankfully.

plus, it would be damned dumb. Iran is not isolated like Iraq; China and Russia are backing it.

if we want to have an impact on Iran, we should dedicate our resources to innovating a replacement for oil that can be produced domestically.

A replacement for oil would be great, but that's not near-term.

I just want us to be vigilant for now, and keep an eye on the people capable of seemingly justifying another US war.
 
Is this just blustering similar to what their neighbor Iraq was doing 10 years ago? Considering what's going on in the Gulf now, we could possibly be drawn into action by another Gulf Of Tonkin type of ruse. I think we need to be alert to the language of those who might rush in.
Why would it be neccesary to do anything? Iran wants to become a global superpower. How can it do that without nuclear capabilities? In order to be respected by their neighbors they have to attain nuclear weapons. This is nothing like Iraq because Iraq never had the capabilities to even want to produce nukes. More unstable nations have nuclear capabilities such as North Korea and the trouble-causing Israel (Israel has never admitted to having nukes but you can't tell me they don't). It's just a neccesity in this world.
 
China and Russia are bluffing! They will not go to war with the west over Iran...

war is not the only weapon in their arsenal.
 
A replacement for oil would be great, but that's not near-term.


had we devoted the necessary resources to this problem in 1973, the world would be a very different place now.

instead, we waited on the market to address this significant national security issue. and still, we wait.

this problem needs to be addressed publicly.
 
Why would it be neccesary to do anything? Iran wants to become a global superpower. How can it do that without nuclear capabilities? In order to be respected by their neighbors they have to attain nuclear weapons. This is nothing like Iraq because Iraq never had the capabilities to even want to produce nukes. More unstable nations have nuclear capabilities such as North Korea and the trouble-causing Israel (Israel has never admitted to having nukes but you can't tell me they don't). It's just a neccesity in this world.

In my opinion, its not necessary to do anything now, except sanctions.

Yes, Iran wants nuclear ability so the world has to take it seriously.

Of course Israel has nuclear bombs.
 
had we devoted the necessary resources to this problem in 1973, the world would be a very different place now.

instead, we waited on the market to address this significant national security issue. and still, we wait.

this problem needs to be addressed publicly.

It is being addressed publicly to an extent. But we don't plan ahead very well. Its going to be oil until there's some replacement that's so cheap that even oil at $10 a barrel can't compete. But then we're talking market again.
 
if we want to have an impact on Iran, we should dedicate our resources to innovating a replacement for {Mid East} oil that can be produced domestically.

We have that....Our own. Plus enough coal to be the Saudi Arabia of the world in coal. BUT! We can't have that can we?


j-mac
 
We have that....Our own. Plus enough coal to be the Saudi Arabia of the world in coal. BUT! We can't have that can we?


j-mac

for argument's sake, let's say we have reserve enough for 250 years at the current rate of consumption.

if we ran our cars on it, what would that do to demand and rate of consumption? how many years do we have then?

current US consumption of oil is between 18.6 and 21 million barrels per day.

Oil.com - United States Oil Consumption and Reserves: A matter of exponential growth and finite resources
Oil consumption statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster
 
for argument's sake, let's say we have reserve enough for 250 years at the current rate of consumption.

if we ran our cars on it, what would that do to demand and rate of consumption? how many years do we have then?

current US consumption of oil is between 18.6 and 21 million barrels per day.

Oil.com - United States Oil Consumption and Reserves: A matter of exponential growth and finite resources
Oil consumption statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster


It isn't really the false argument you set up. See, you are assuming that during that time period that any development of alternatives stops. We need to tap into what our known production can produce while we progress toward the bridge into new solutions. This meme of choke it off to spur that development is short sighted, and IMHO just plain dumb.


j-mac
 
It isn't really the false argument you set up. See, you are assuming that during that time period that any development of alternatives stops. We need to tap into what our known production can produce while we progress toward the bridge into new solutions. This meme of choke it off to spur that development is short sighted, and IMHO just plain dumb.


j-mac

my argument is that we should pursue a replacement for oil as a top national (and national security) priority. i'm not for cap and trade, and i don't think it's something that can be done overnight by government or private industry. but i would like to see a coherent long term domestic energy policy enacted, promoted, and treated as the priority that it is. for a nation of our size and scope to be as dependent as we are on imported energy is nearly suicidal.

an important first step is to nationally increase our electrical grid significantly. any transition is probably going to involve electric, and our current grid can't handle it. a combination of vastly expanded nuclear technology (including non-uranium based energy) and renewables could help to fill the gap. and we certainly have a need for the jobs that it would create.
 
my argument is that we should pursue a replacement for oil as a top national (and national security) priority. i'm not for cap and trade, and i don't think it's something that can be done overnight by government or private industry. but i would like to see a coherent long term domestic energy policy enacted, promoted, and treated as the priority that it is. for a nation of our size and scope to be as dependent as we are on imported energy is nearly suicidal.

an important first step is to nationally increase our electrical grid significantly. any transition is probably going to involve electric, and our current grid can't handle it. a combination of vastly expanded nuclear technology (including non-uranium based energy) and renewables could help to fill the gap. and we certainly have a need for the jobs that it would create.

I hear ya. But the thing that you are forgetting is the time it will take to bring those alternatives on line as viable replacements for our current system. We have the resource right here in country to continue to supply the country with energy, while we develop new tech, and nuke to replace it with. But short sighted enviro/whacked ideologues would, and are attempting to strangle this nation in favor of energy tech that is at best unproven, and at worst unworkable.


j-mac
 
Then it should be hot enough to ram up someone's backside with an outcome that would deter them from doing this again.
 
I think it is a mistake on our part to believe that Israel cannot defend itself. We can't afford another war. Let them work it out themselves.

Israel is more than capable of defending themselves, however they like to steal from the American taxpayer who has given them trillions of dollars over the years. They have no intentions of defending themselves without the aid of the US taxpayer.
 
Israel is more than capable of defending themselves, however they like to steal from the American taxpayer who has given them trillions of dollars over the years. They have no intentions of defending themselves without the aid of the US taxpayer.

They can't steal what they are given freely.

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They can't steal what they are given freely.

Then why do they lobby so hard for American money?

Keep in mind this is the country that loves to steal other people's homes and land. Israel has a long history of theft.
 
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Then why do they lobby so hard for American money?

Keep in mind this is the country that loves to steal other people's homes and land. Israel has a long history of theft.

Wouldn't you lobby for money if you knew you could get it? It's not like they are stealing money from us, we give it to them. I am not for giving it to them, but that's the way it goes.

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Obama needs to tell Iran that if they close the Strait of Hormuz, that's he's going to shove that rod up their collective asses.
 
It is all talk from Iran. Too many countries outside of the USA rely on that port.

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