Is this supposed to be an emotional appeal? If so, it doesn't have any effect on my argument as it comes from a place of reason.
It actually just takes someone who disagrees with you and isn't actually a monster, but a doctor.
Why is banning late term abortion dumber than other laws that you disagree with?
Umm...no. Comparing two rights, and deciding which is more important, is NOT the same as comparing two groups and deciding whose rights are more important. It's common for rights to conflict, and you have to choose which right is more important. Sometimes child molesters win these battles because of the importance of certain rights. They don't win because they're child molesters.
Showing me a 36 week old child is not an argument - it's an appeal to my emotions. You're essentially saying, "Look at this cute kid who was born 2 weeks early. How could you be pro-choice?" That's not an argument.
I don't recall saying that the subjects in this story were competent.
I've already stated that I think the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of a fetus and that banning abortion doesn't actually stop abortion, it just decreases the safety of women who want them.
And, in my opinion, the right of a potential person to live is less important than the right of an actual full grown human being to do what she wants with her body. I'm not sure if you would prefer for me to just consider the "right to life" vs "the right to control one's body" without taking into account whose rights we are considering, but if you are that's not going to happen.
Oh here we go - the same thing that happens in every abortion thread. A pro-lifer shows me a picture for an emotional appeal. I reject their emotional appeal and then they tell me it makes me uncomfortable as if they've now "got me". Well, obviously it makes me uncomfortable. I've also watched videos of actual abortions and those make uncomfortable. Do you know why? Because I am a human being. Shocker, I know since it seems pretty popular to frame pro-choicers as unfeeling monsters.
When a child is born, it's no longer about a woman's control over her own body.
When you're inside the womb, it's still about a woman's control over her body.
There's nothing magical about birth and I never said an infant was a "full human" whereas a fetus was not. (A child at all stages of development is human.) That's called putting words in my mouth. When you stop doing that, I'll share my other arguments.
Disagreeing with a law is one thing; calling it "dumb as hell" is much different.
I respectfully disagree. I don't think anyone's rights are more important than anyone else's. IMHO, we should be comparing the rights, not the people. This is how it's normally done. It's illegal to yell 'FIRE' in a crowded movie theater, not because some people are more important than others, but because the right to be safe is greater than freedom of speech.
but if the fetus is viable, and you remove it alive instead of killing it first, that doesn't reduce the woman's control of her body
Okay.
This a good point. We do tend to compare rights instead of people when making laws. However, with most laws, we're dealing with people who have been born - whose existence is beyond the grey area of the beginning and end of life. Abortion, like taking someone off life support, exists in that grey area and the person is always considered along with the rights.
Well, it does because the fetus is still a part of the woman's body while it's inside of her. However, with this point specifically, I've always thought that for women who want late term abortions, doctors should be able to perform C-sections or something similar instead if the woman just wants to be rid of the kid for whatever, but I haven't looked much into that and I'm pretty sure most late term abortions are emergency related since they rarely happen.
Does taking someone off of life support favor one group over another?
These are your opinions (opinions based on emotional appeals I might add). I think it does give her the right to have an abortion. And force deliver is a better option, sure. However, better options don't have an effect on whether or not women should have the option to abort.