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L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

Kal'Stang said:
But a peaceful protest is legal according to the US Constitution.
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No its not. I can't peacefully protest at 2 AM in a city park. I can't peacefully have me and 100 of my friends peacefully protest in your front yard. I can't peacefully have 200 folks out pissing on trees while they protest in a city park. I could go on, but do you get it yet ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
We kind of agree on this point, and I believe I have alluded to a similar conclusion. You do have to identify a responsible party before you can try to collect damages. And then, once identified, there has to be a reasonable expectation that the effort needed to collect is essentiallly worth it. For instance, idfentifiying obe person who may have kicked up a divet is not going to return much in terms of a recovery.

But this gets us to the other point about permits, etc. With many organized rallies, where permits are granted, municipalities also require an insurance bond be posted, exactly to cover such costs. And if you have a rally, and it requires a certain permit, and you don't have it, then you are all subject to arrest and fine. Which also pays the bills ;)
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As noted above, there are protests and gatherings without permit, and no one is even suggested be arrested. The sports team example is valid. Somethings just can't be permit driven.
 
haymarket said:
Not at all unlike the bill the taxpayers pick up in city after city when professional sports teams win and there are parades and celebrations which cost the city money.
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All done with city approval. And in may cases with a part of the tab picked up by the team.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
No its not.
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Yes it is
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I can't peacefully protest at 2 AM in a city park.
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Yes you can
 
Boo Radley said:
As noted above, there are protests and gatherings without permit, and no one is even suggested be arrested. The sports team example is valid. Somethings just can't be permit driven.
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You truly need to learn about these things. Show me a Tea Party rally where they camped out overnight, much less days and weeks ? SHow me a Tea Party rally that did not get a permit ? Show me a parade by a sports team that was not conducted with a permit ?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes it is
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Yes you can
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LOL ....... so a city has no jurisdiction over its parks ? Roads ? Curfews ? All these laws are illegal ?

Are you all still in high school ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
LOL ....... so a city has no jurisdiction over its parks ? Roads ? Curfews ? All these laws are illegal ?
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Where did I say a city doenst have jurisdiction in a park? A city does. But a city just cant come in and kick you out of a public park because you are protesting.

Are you all still in high school ?
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No.
Are you?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So when you have massive worldwide protests which are protected under the Constitution and the police come over and evict you via force (when you are not ready to leave) you get stuck with the tab... Gotcha.
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I see you have no problem with millions in taxpayer dollars being wasted. Yes?
 
apdst said:
I see you have no problem with millions in taxpayer dollars being wasted. Yes?
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Exercising your constitutional freedom to express your political ideas via protest is "wasting tax dollars"?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Exercising your constitutional freedom to express your political ideas via protest is "wasting tax dollars"?
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It is when you trash out the area that you're using to protest and leave the tab for the taxpayers.

I thought Libbos were all about protecting the environment. Obviously, they can't be trusted with that, either.
 
apdst said:
I see you have no problem with millions in taxpayer dollars being wasted. Yes?
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Costing taxpayers money in order to hold a peaceful protest is NOT a waste. It is supporting our first amendment rights.

Or do you consider wars that actually protect our freedoms also a waste of taxpayer money?
 
apdst said:
It is when you trash out the area that you're using to protest and leave the tab for the taxpayers.
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You act like they left on their free will... They were evicted by force...

I thought Libbos were all about protecting the environment. Obviously, they can't be trusted with that, either.
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Ohhh APDST how cute of you.
 
apdst said:
It is when you trash out the area that you're using to protest and leave the tab for the taxpayers.

I thought Libbos were all about protecting the environment. Obviously, they can't be trusted with that, either.
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No protest has ever not cost taxpayer money.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Where did I say a city doenst have jurisdiction in a park? A city does. But a city just cant come in and kick you out of a public park because you are protesting.
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They can if its at the wrong hour. They can if your group exceeds a certain size, unless you have the proper permit. Etc.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
They can if its at the wrong hour. They can if your group exceeds a certain size, unless you have the proper permit. Etc.
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They can at the "wrong hour"? Whats that mean? Curfew? Sounds pretty unconstitutional.
A certain size?
Can you show me these laws? And if they do exist doesnt that go against the first amendment?
 
Kal'Stang said:
No protest has ever not cost taxpayer money.
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This is not always true. When I was in college many years ago, three of my friends and I went to a bar that we knew would not accept black patrons. One of us was black. We were told that we could stay, but the one could not. We protested that this was wrong in front of the other patrons at the bar. After about 2 or 3 minutes, we left. This cost the taxpayer nothing.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No protest has ever not cost taxpayer money.
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That's ****ing nonsense! Meetings and protests are held all the time which cost the taxpayer nothing. Where proper permits are obtained, fees are paid, and insurance bonds posted.

Do you folks just make this crap up ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
That's ****ing nonsense! Meetings and protests are held all the time which cost the taxpayer nothing. Where proper permits are obtained, fees are paid, and insurance bonds posted.

Do you folks just make this crap up ?
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Post so much as one police officer in the vicinity to keep the peace, and it costs the taxpayer something.
 
LesGovt said:
This is not always true. When I was in college many years ago, three of my friends and I went to a bar that we knew would not accept black patrons. One of us was black. We were told that we could stay, but the one could not. We protested that this was wrong in front of the other patrons at the bar. After about 2 or 3 minutes, we left. This cost the taxpayer nothing.
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Wow..talk about a huge protest eh? Lets try and keep this in terms of the normal size of a protest that actually will grab the media's attention. You know...like the size of MLK's protests? Teaparty protests? OWS protests?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They can at the "wrong hour"? Whats that mean? Curfew? Sounds pretty unconstitutional.
A certain size?
Can you show me these laws? And if they do exist doesnt that go against the first amendment?
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YOu know what ? I can be liberal and give you a fish paid for by someone else. Or I can be Conservative and show you how to fish.

Make Google your friend. Pick a local municipality, and type in "curfew statutes". Then try "public usage".

Do you think that all these hundreds of years since our founding, that you have stumbled onto a flaw in the law where curfews are Unconstitutional ? Etc. ? Do you not comprehend that other taxpayers have rights as well ? Already discussed in this thread, btw.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
That's ****ing nonsense! Meetings and protests are held all the time which cost the taxpayer nothing. Where proper permits are obtained, fees are paid, and insurance bonds posted.

Do you folks just make this crap up ?
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Post so much as one police officer in the vicinity to keep the peace, and it costs the taxpayer something.
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Ya beat me too it Dan.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Not if he was already on duty.
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I can't speak for other jurisdictions, but any time my county's Sheriff's department posts officers or deploys a task force to look for drunk drivers on the weekends, they never take it from the regular compliment -- they always add to it, because otherwise the guys left on patrol are at risk and the department as a whole is less effecient.

My guess is that it's the same in any department involving more than a couple of guys.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
YOu know what ? I can be liberal and give you a fish paid for by someone else. Or I can be Conservative and show you how to fish.
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1.)This has ZERO relevance to this conversation.
2.)Cool conservative republican talking point
3.)I'm not a liberal
4.)What the ****?

Make Google your friend. Pick a local municipality, and type in "curfew statutes". Then try "public usage".
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So you cant?

Do you think that all these hundreds of years since our founding, that you have stumbled onto a flaw in the law where curfews are Unconstitutional ? Etc. ? Do you not comprehend that other taxpayers have rights as well ? Already discussed in this thread, btw.
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So you are saying that curfews, sizes of protest are laws that dont go against this here amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 
Eighty Deuce said:
YOu know what ? I can be liberal and give you a fish paid for by someone else. Or I can be Conservative and show you how to fish.

Make Google your friend. Pick a local municipality, and type in "curfew statutes". Then try "public usage".

Do you think that all these hundreds of years since our founding, that you have stumbled onto a flaw in the law where curfews are Unconstitutional ? Etc. ? Do you not comprehend that other taxpayers have rights as well ? Already discussed in this thread, btw.
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How is someone having a protest infringing upon your rights? I saw no one at any of the OWS protests stopping people from entering the parks that they occupied. If you didn't go because you didn't want to associate yourself with the OWS or didn't want to have to deal with the crowds that is your choice. No one stopped you or anyone else from entering the parks.
 
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