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L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

Can we please stop talking about this in such childish terms "Occutard" come on this aint recess in elementary school, how the hell are you supposed to convince anyone of your argument if agreeing with you means I have talk like a grade school kid? This isn't maturity. I really think the reason most people "debate" isn't to convince either their opponent or the audience, they just like to act superior, put people down, and get that sanctification of "winning" in their head.
 
Wiseone said:
Can we please stop talking about this in such childish terms "Occutard" come on this aint recess in elementary school, how the hell are you supposed to convince anyone of your argument if agreeing with you means I have talk like a grade school kid? This isn't maturity. I really think the reason most people "debate" isn't to convince either their opponent or the audience, they just like to act superior, put people down, and get that sanctification of "winning" in their head.
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Would you prefer we call them astro-turfed lemmings ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Would you prefer we call them astro-turfed lemmings ?
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Wiseone said:
I'd hardly call it a mob I'd prefer a less derogatory term but whatever. Anyway, no the City obviously would have to dispatch some extra police to keep law and order but thats the price of freedom of speech. Also while its obvious that some police would need to be dispatched, there's never agreement on how many, so you basically have the government dictating to the people what the cost of their rally or protest is going to be. Picture a situation where this happens, a Representative from a protest states everything is peaceful and there's no need for cops to work over time, a city rep disagrees and states the police will work over time at a cost of 10 million dollars then insists the protest rep pay for it. When the Rep is unable, not unwilling buy financially unable, to pay he either has to allow his freedom of speech to be trampled on or be thrown into prison for failure to pay fees to the government.

Basically what I see you advocating is a tax on 1st amendment rights.
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No, there is another option, such as what the Tea Parties did....Obtain permits, have their rallies, make sure that they police their trash when they leave after the rally, and not cause police to be dispatched in riot gear to keep them under control.

How bout that?

j-mac
 
Wiseone said:
Can we please stop talking about this in such childish terms "Occutard" come on this aint recess in elementary school, how the hell are you supposed to convince anyone of your argument if agreeing with you means I have talk like a grade school kid? This isn't maturity. I really think the reason most people "debate" isn't to convince either their opponent or the audience, they just like to act superior, put people down, and get that sanctification of "winning" in their head.
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Here is some maturity for you:

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Yeah, you were saying?


j-mac
 
Wiseone said:
Can we please stop talking about this in such childish terms "Occutard" come on this aint recess in elementary school, how the hell are you supposed to convince anyone of your argument if agreeing with you means I have talk like a grade school kid? This isn't maturity. I really think the reason most people "debate" isn't to convince either their opponent or the audience, they just like to act superior, put people down, and get that sanctification of "winning" in their head.
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Seeing how libs were like teabagger this and teabagger that,racist teabaggers and so on I think will continue to use the term occutard. Considering the crap the occutards have done the name fits.
 
Temporal said:
You can't charge people money for exercising their First Amendment rights. Also, how are they going to sue "Occupy Protesters". They don't have an established leadership or anyone to pin this on.

If a lawsuit is attempted it should be tossed out as it would set a dangerous precedent where city halls could financially attack people for protesting.
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Camping out in parks, bogarting public spaces, trashing public spaces, harassing burger king employees and customers, throwing trash cans through Star Bucks windows,harassing school kids and other acts of nuisances,harassment and destruction are not in any shape or form speech or peaceful assembly.
 
j-mac said:
Here is some maturity for you:

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Yeah, you were saying?


j-mac
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jamesrage said:
Seeing how libs were like teabagger this and teabagger that,racist teabaggers and so on I think will continue to use the term occutard. Considering the crap the occutards have done the name fits.
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So what I'm hearing is that you two don't have your own standards and would rather let your political rivals drag what I'm sure would otherwise be two mature adults down into this childishness.

I agree mostly agree with you guys but I don't want to associate myself with those who would speak like this, where is your own pride, principles, and standards that require you to take the high place, don't you have any self-respect or is it that easy to get you guys arguing like children under a jungle gym.

I can also assume you'd like some more maturity in these kinds of disagreements, so why not start with yourselves? You realize if your opponents take the same stance of "Well they say Occutard so I'm going to say Teabagger or whatever" its not going to solve the problem at all? Maybe I'm just being too pragmatic and solution orientated and less of raging partisan.
 
Wiseone said:
So what I'm hearing is that you two don't have your own standards and would rather let your political rivals drag what I'm sure would otherwise be two mature adults down into this childishness.

I agree mostly agree with you guys but I don't want to associate myself with those who would speak like this, where is your own pride, principles, and standards that require you to take the high place, don't you have any self-respect or is it that easy to get you guys arguing like children under a jungle gym.

I can also assume you'd like some more maturity in these kinds of disagreements, so why not start with yourselves? You realize if your opponents take the same stance of "Well they say Occutard so I'm going to say Teabagger or whatever" its not going to solve the problem at all? Maybe I'm just being too pragmatic and solution orientated and less of raging partisan.
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The "high place" is the wisdom and conviction to call these scum what they are, and not march like lemmings because some master somewhere commanded us to support this lunacy.

They are misguiided fools if not just plain scum. They are a threat to the America that I helped to build, fought for, and now want my children to be able to participate and succeed in based on the merit of their own efforts.

If that offends someone's widdle feewins .... tough ****.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The "high place" is the wisdom and conviction to call these scum what they are, and not march like lemmings because some master somewhere commanded us to support this lunacy.

They are misguiided fools if not just plain scum. They are a threat to the America that I helped to build, fought for, and now want my children to be able to participate and succeed in based on the merit of their own efforts.

If that offends someone's widdle feewins .... tough ****.
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This speaks for itself, obviously intelligence is not something that will be coming from you there's too much ego and anger in the way.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The "high place" is the wisdom and conviction to call these scum what they are, and not march like lemmings because some master somewhere commanded us to support this lunacy.

They are misguiided fools if not just plain scum. They are a threat to the America that I helped to build, fought for, and now want my children to be able to participate and succeed in based on the merit of their own efforts.

If that offends someone's widdle feewins .... tough ****.
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You helped build this country? Lmao. Pretty sure this country had been built by the 1980s bro.
 
Hatuey said:
You helped build this country? Lmao. Pretty sure this country had been built by the 1980s bro.
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Pretty sure he meant blue collar, non union, middle class American. However, what occupy did was not an exercise in free speech, as much as it was a hyper hysterical temper tantrum, from astro turf socialists, that had a bunch of lemmings, homeless, and the not too bright duped into getting themselves arrested. Most of them don't even have a coherent message, they are just there to cause trouble.


j-mac
 
Hatuey said:
You helped build this country? Lmao. Pretty sure this country had been built by the 1980s bro.
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And just what do you think I was doing in the 70's while you were free-loading ?
 
Wiseone said:
This speaks for itself, obviously intelligence is not something that will be coming from you there's too much ego and anger in the way.
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And in the end, from your "high ground" position, you slump to the personal attack. Thank you for the demonstration in hypocrisy. ;)
 
Eighty Deuce said:
And in the end, from your "high ground" position, you slump to the personal attack. Thank you for the demonstration in hypocrisy. ;)
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O I never shy from a personal attack when its called for, that wasn't my point. My point is about intelligence, I believe my statement is a keen observation on your mindset. The words I use have specific meanings and I put some thought into why I believe you have that arrogance. "Occutard" is entirely meaningless however, its a term which says you think the movement is stupid however its done in a way that mimics a child by adding "tard" to a word. It also has no why, no reason behind it, no explanation, you're opinions are stated as if they were fact.

In the end my goal isn't to argue the ends and outs of what is and what isn't a personal attack or what is and what isn't childish, I just want people to speak with a degree of intelligence and mutual self respect, I think it would solve many problems today not to mention reduce the political rage many people have towards their political counter parts. If you just want to put this aside and continue on without all the childish remarks or personal attacks from both of us, I'd be more than willing.
 
j-mac said:
No, there is another option, such as what the Tea Parties did....Obtain permits, have their rallies, make sure that they police their trash when they leave after the rally, and not cause police to be dispatched in riot gear to keep them under control.

How bout that?

j-mac
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It's great that they did it but it's not required to exercise your rights. Nobody has to get a permit to protest. Or at least they should not have to.
 
Wiseone said:
O I never shy from a personal attack when its called for, that wasn't my point. My point is about intelligence, I believe my statement is a keen observation on your mindset. The words I use have specific meanings and I put some thought into why I believe you have that arrogance. "Occutard" is entirely meaningless however, its a term which says you think the movement is stupid however its done in a way that mimics a child by adding "tard" to a word. It also has no why, no reason behind it, no explanation, you're opinions are stated as if they were fact.

In the end my goal isn't to argue the ends and outs of what is and what isn't a personal attack or what is and what isn't childish, I just want people to speak with a degree of intelligence and mutual self respect, I think it would solve many problems today not to mention reduce the political rage many people have towards their political counter parts. If you just want to put this aside and continue on without all the childish remarks or personal attacks from both of us, I'd be more than willing.
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Read the rules.

Secondly, I owe no "mutual respect" to occutards. America is got a big dose of disrespect to hand back to the Occuscum in Nov 2012.

Hopefully the mods will clean up your mess lest this place turn into a cesspool.
 
1Perry said:
It's great that they did it but it's not required to exercise your rights. Nobody has to get a permit to protest. Or at least they should not have to.
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Not true. Many jurisdictions require permits in order to have a group beyond a certain size assemble, as there are numerous safety codes that must be adhered to, and other considerations. In many cases insurance bonds are required as well. All Constitutional.
 
apdst said:
They're getting away with wasting millions of dollars to clean up their mess.

See the hypocrisy of your comment?
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Not when the financial sector is getting away with wasting billions of dollars to clean up their mess.
 
samsmart said:
Not when the financial sector is getting away with wasting billions of dollars to clean up their mess.
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"But MOMMY!!! He did it first!!"
 
jamesrage said:
Part of me feels that they should charge the protests for financial damages but the same time I do not think the cities have any right to charge the protesters for financial damages.The reason for feeling that the cities shouldn't charge the protests is because the cities let the protesters make camps and basically do what ever they wanted until the protesters started becoming a problem for the cities. The cities could have said no tents periods. The cities could have said no permits, you will just have to go home at COB and come back the next day to protest in the parks.
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I can see the delima here. However, in the end since this is the exerciese of a right; namely protest and assembly that we must accept this as a consequence of freedom. I fear too many people forget consequence.

How much does gun ownership cost us? We have a lot of gun crime and a lot of legal, medical, and social dynamics which feed into it and cost us all money. Certainly there would always be some amount of gun crime; but if we took very authoratative measures to remove guns physically we could decrease that number greatly. Do we sue gun owners? Do we sue gun companies? No, crime and the other costs associated with gun ownership are a consequence of freedom. One which must be borne out if we are to maintain freedom.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Everyone needs to cease the personal attacks, or I will help them to cease it by issuing infractions/thread bans.
 
Good Luck! *Snickers*

*They cannot do this and need to worry about brining jobs or something in rather than picking on folks that are just using their civil rights! No wonder they are broke*
 
Non-peaceful protesters should be brought up on criminal charges, but peaceful protesters are exerting their first amendment rights exactly as the Constitution intended. For even considering making peaceful protesters pay for this, Carmen Trutanich has shown ignorance of the Constitution that should not be acceptable in someone working for an agency expected to uphold it.
 
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