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Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

i complain because of the way it afflicts the students who should not be deprived of a good education
kids with problems need/deserve help
just not at the expense of other kids

But you could take that to any extreme. Your kid making Cs might be holding back my really smart kid, so we should get rid of your kid.
 
But you could take that to any extreme. Your kid making Cs might be holding back my really smart kid, so we should get rid of your kid.

we should ability group them

the very opposite of mainstream thinking

taking it to an extreme calls for placing kids who need lots of help in classrooms with lots of students and one teacher who can offer little help. kind of like the article cited by the OP
 


yes, we diminish the learning opportunity of those who are well behaved to enable the poorly behaved to be in their midst
makes a lot of sense sarcasm.gif


this well meaning - but poorly constructed public policy - ended ability grouping
Obama came to town this year to recognize a principal because of her school's consistent progress
that principal - of a primarily ESL student body - insists on ability grouping
her peers, who continue to expect their teachers to teach at the rate of the slowest member of the school room in their own least restrictive schools did not receive such recognition, because those classes do not achieve the same high academic performance

if we value inclusion above educational attainment, then what you advocate is the way to go

clearly, we have different aspirations
 
yes, we diminish the learning opportunity of those who are well behaved to enable the poorly behaved to be in their midst

That's true without a single special needs kid involved though.
 
That's true without a single special needs kid involved though.

and and other poorly behaved kid should be removed from the classroom as well, even if they have no disability instigating their disruption
 
Says you.

What we should do is whatever is best for them, which depends on the nature of the disability.

the ability grouping seldom helps the kids with the problem
it almost always hurts the kids who are in the room with them
 
When I was in 1st grade, we had an autistic child in our class. He was not very verbal, and he did have a lot of behavioral problems, but he was capable of communicating at a precocious level in other ways.

We had the main teacher, and then we had a special ed teacher who accompanied him to our class and could handle him if he was having an episode. It worked out pretty well. He was no more disruptive to the class than the rest of the kids, overall. You know who the most disruptive kid in that class was, actually?

Me.

It was the mid-90's, and there wasn't a lot of help for kids like me. No learning disability, not autistic, very bright, but with other problems (in my case sensory integration disorder and other things associated with highly sensitive personality, and bright children - these things go hand-in-hand for a lot of kids). They had no idea what to do with me or what was wrong.

If they'd had any idea what to do with me, apart from try to stick me on Ritalin (which my parents refused because I had no attention deficit, and I was not hyperactive, I was just overwhelmed and acting out), I probably could have been helped quite easily by sensory therapy. We have that now for kids who are like I was.

We didn't have it back then. Or at least, the awareness wasn't there back then.

I gradually adjusted as I got older. But I had to do that on my own. I didn't find out what the problem was until I was 19 years old, when I was going to therapy for some other stuff that had happened in my life lately. It tends to get worse when I'm severely stressed, so I was having more problems with it than usual, and my psychologist caught it.

But by then, it wasn't very relevant. Knowing that at 19 was not going to help me with school when I was in 1st grade. My life may have turned out differently if someone had figured it out when I was 4, like they do with kids now, instead of when I was in young adulthood.

As for the autistic kid in my class? We got on just fine in that class even with him there. He had the help and personal attention he needed. And we, the students, got imbued with a sense of empathy and understanding for people who are different.

I went on to volunteer to play with special needs children when I was in 4th grade. Some of them were profoundly disabled. For some reason, although I was far more "normal" than they were, I could always relate to them. I looked normal and I could stumble my way through the normal world alright, but there was a part of me that understood when they acted out. I may not have known exactly what they were feeling or thinking - they couldn't always tell me - but a part of me knew that this wasn't so different than what I'd felt. Just much more extreme.

I think spending time with them did more to help me than any teacher or doctor I ever had.

The point here is that mainstreaming is not the enemy. But mainstreaming ignorantly is not going to work well. It is not a contradiction to mainstream and simultaneously give personal, empathetic attention. We can do both those things. It helps the child, it helps the teacher, and it helps the rest of the class. Educationally, empathetically, and in terms of personal growth and maturation, everybody wins when we give special need kids a sense of normalcy and also teach typical kids that they are people too.
 
and and other poorly behaved kid should be removed from the classroom as well, even if they have no disability instigating their disruption

Depends on what "poorly behaved" means, doesn't it?
 
the ability grouping seldom helps the kids with the problem
it almost always hurts the kids who are in the room with them

Thanks for your detailed, expert opinion.
 
Depends on what "poorly behaved" means, doesn't it?

if they are disruptive to the class, the it would seem safe to refer to them as poorly behaved

not sure how this semantic moment advances the discussion, however
 
as always, you are most welcome to have it as your own

Yes, I will, because I actually know what I'm talking about and I have a personal stake in it.
 
The bag is a common deterrent used in the juvenile justice system. It is preciely the WRONG approach with autistic children. I have had to physically remove police, hospital security, and nurses from rooms while they were force restraining autistic children. One instance the doctors claimed he just freaked out and was 'hissing'. He wasnt hissing...he was saying 'yes' 'yes' and trying to communicate with them. Give the kid a few feet and allow him top feel in control of himself and at least a little corner of the world and he calmed right down. A lot of people dont know how to deal with autisitc children and believe that by God asserting their authority will bring about compliance. Its not that hard.

I dont know if this school has a policy for specifically dealing with autistic children that are out of control (and they can get out of control). Any parent might be appaled that their child would be in such a restraint. In SOME instances it is a more humane option. Beats the hell out of the kid harming someone else or running their head into a wall. Thats just a reality. Guess I would like to know more about the situation before I jumped to judgement on it.
 
I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.

However, taking him out of the classroom and tying him up into a duffle bag does not seem to be a valid solution. No matter how therapeutic it is, it is infuriating. I don't have children, but I would be ****ing pissed if I walked into my school and saw my child tied up in a duffle bag. That is just wrong.
 
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I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.

You don't know what you're talking about. Your uncle is way too old to be an example of modern education. If your uncle went to school in Mass today, he'd likely go to public school.
 
I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.

However, taking him out of the classroom and tying him up into a duffle bag does not seem to be a valid solution. No matter how therapeutic it is, it is infuriating. I don't have children, but I would be ****ing pissed if I walked into my school and saw my child tied up in a duffle bag. That is just wrong.
A lot of states dont have budgets to maintain effective special ed classes...many parents object to having their autistic children in special ed classes because they feel like they get less effective socializing skills, are dumped into programs, or just arent helped. In many cases they are right. Lots of different levels of autism...sounds like this particular student was a reasonably high functioning autistic child that may have just skipped a groove.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. Your uncle is way too old to be an example of modern education. If your uncle went to school in Mass today, he'd likely go to public school.

I would appreciate it if you stop lying. My uncle would not be admitted to a public school without specific requirements.

I never used my uncle as an example of modern education, so I would appreciate it if you stop lying.
 
A lot of states dont have budgets to maintain effective special ed classes...many parents object to having their autistic children in special ed classes because they feel like they get less effective socializing skills, are dumped into programs, or just arent helped. In many cases they are right. Lots of different levels of autism...sounds like this particular student was a reasonably high functioning autistic child that may have just skipped a groove.

A reasonably functional autistic child should not be tied up in a bag. My uncle of 50 years has never been tied up in a duffle bag and doesn't need to be and we are talking about sever autism.
 
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Federal laws necessitate an appropriate learning environment for children as a part of the IEP process for special needs kids. So that part of your concern is already addressed.

Teaching and dealing with problems of kids with rare disorders are two different things.
 
My uncle would not be admitted to a public school without specific requirements.

Your uncle would have a legal right to be admitted to a public school today.

I never used my uncle as an example of modern education,

Then don't bring him up in a discussion about one.
 
A reasonably functional autistic child should not be tied up in a bag. My uncle of 50 years has never been tied up in a duffle bag and doesn't need to be and we are talking about sever autism.
You obviously arent getting the intent of the bag. It isnt used for autistic kids...it is used for out of control raging type kids, autistic or otherwise.
 
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