Sopa

Looks like another loss of freedom.

The unintended consequences will bite those supporters in the ass. Yes, certainly there are pure pirates out there who illegally download and make a profit, there are other who download and use for their private use without compensation to the owners / distributors, and then there are those who download and those downloads are temporary as well as a great advertisement for the artists / distributors. As a result of those downloads or views on YouTube or other sites, they go out and pay and watch those movies, buy the songs, etc... remove that and the majority of those sites and uses of this downloaded content will be gone, and so will the free advertisements for those products.

Secondly - SOPA or any other legal bill passed will not stop piracy. It will simply force sites to fine new creative ways to distribute materials either through a loophole in the law, or bypass it totally. Business is pissing in the wind - what they need to do is embrace the technology and find a way to still make money on it, instead of finding new ways to stop it. They can't stop it just like the Romans couldn't stop Christianity. ('Tis the season after all).

SOPA is one monster of a bill.

Ultimately, as Ockham says, it won't stop piracy. If anything it will deplete business even further. Artists and content creators who have unilaterally dropped DRM and other restrictive forms of content management have, for the most people, seen increased sales. The reason is because without having to pay for DRM services, they save money and pass that saving onto the customer, and also because people are more willing to buy things that they are assured of actually being able to use once they've done so.

SOPA is just trying to turn the entire internet into one big DRM scheme. And it's not going to work any better than DRM does now. Hell, Firefox extensions to circumvent it are already popping up. What it will probably do is take down a lot of businesses who are unable to moniter each of the millions of things people post on their sites. And by proxy, it will destroy the business model for content creators. Eventually, even the business side will be circumventing SOPA if they're smart. It's bad for them - just as bad as it is for customers.

Once again, these draconian measures at limiting freedom on the internet and of personal ownership are not going to do anything but hurt honest customers, and people trying to make a living. As far as the pirates? They'll be doing better than ever.

I can't even see how this is legal. Precedent says that website owners who allow people to post content to their site do not own responsibility for that content. SOPA flies in the face of that.

Ockham said:

The unintended consequences will bite those supporters in the ass. Yes, certainly there are pure pirates out there who illegally download and make a profit, there are other who download and use for their private use without compensation to the owners / distributors, and then there are those who download and those downloads are temporary as well as a great advertisement for the artists / distributors. As a result of those downloads or views on YouTube or other sites, they go out and pay and watch those movies, buy the songs, etc... remove that and the majority of those sites and uses of this downloaded content will be gone, and so will the free advertisements for those products.

Secondly - SOPA or any other legal bill passed will not stop piracy. It will simply force sites to fine new creative ways to distribute materials either through a loophole in the law, or bypass it totally. Business is pissing in the wind - what they need to do is embrace the technology and find a way to still make money on it, instead of finding new ways to stop it. They can't stop it just like the Romans couldn't stop Christianity. ('Tis the season after all).

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I agree business should focus on makaing a profit by selling their content online, not finding ways to stop internet streaming or downloading. Competing with ti could make them some very good money.

will probably have significant negative impact on message boards, FB, twitter, youtube, etc.

buying laws should be banned, not posting a video on facebook or youtube.

count me against this.

Amerika the free.

Short of making encrypted internet traffic illegal, it's pretty much impossible to stop the pirates. People get around the firewall of China. People will get around whatever they try to put in place here. The question isn't whether you can stop the pirates, because you can't. The question is how much worse will you make the internet for everyone else? Will the extra filtering slow the internet down? Can you initiate an attack against a website posting links to pirated material and then reporting the site as a pirate website? What will happen to the cost of internet service?

Like hell they are "unintended consequences". The government knows exactly what it is doing. People should be signing petitions against this so that it won't be bulldozed through congress.

If people don't want to see the internet radically changed and censored, they better act fast to stop congress from doing this. If you give the government this power, then it's all over.

Hollywood and the music industry arent enjoying the gadzillions they used to make their incomes have dropped considerably for a variety of reaons...and its their big money behind trying to get this bill passed...they have been pushing for it a long time.
Next bill up will be collection of all state taxs by online retailers...and then..Id bet a national sales tax on the net might come forward.

I forgot to mention... this would also have consequences on U.S. hegemony over the internet. If domains are censored in the U.S. then servers will go abroad in droves to escape the tyranny, and our country will no longer have its internet heritage. We created it and it was created to be free. If we turn our backs on that then other countries will pick up the torch; or, if it turns bad, it will incite other countries to begin their own censorship.

After Wikileaks, the U.S. government will do anything to stop the truth from getting out. I don't think this bill is just about piracy, it's about broader control over how people think and exchange information.

This bill is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, and my views on it have pretty much been summed up my the others. What really grinds ny greas the most though is that this will not only the effect the US, but the whole world. This bill, if pass by the Government of the United States will affect me and how I go about downloading things of the Internet, and I live in Canada. This is not just bull****, but stupidity of the US over extending its pwoers to where it should not be, again.

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SOPA: The Internet Censorship Bill With Unintended Consequences | KEZI

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This is bill is anti-business. It's being sponsored by business interests who don't understand how an economy in the Information Age is working. Rather than adapt their business models to the Internet Revolution they're trying to restrain the internet so their past business model can work.

Which it won't.

samsmart said:

This is bill is anti-business. It's being sponsored by business interests who don't understand how an economy in the Information Age is working. Rather than adapt their business models to the Internet Revolution they're trying to restrain the internet so their past business model can work.

Which it won't.

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I know they are hanging onto their old business model like its the apocalypse. Why can;t they just let go and create a new one?

these companies need to listen to their cutsomers more.

go daddy boycotts bill in current form

http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378

For the love of all that is good, holy and salty...Obama, you cannot sign the SOPA bill should it come across your desk.

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I know they are hanging onto their old business model like its the apocalypse. Why can;t they just let go and create a new one?

these companies need to listen to their cutsomers more.

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Because baby boomers are still in control of the board of directors of these businesses and they can't admit they don't understand the evolution of the internet economy because it will mean they can't command the inflated executive salaries they contracted for now.

It's amazing the strawmen people will come up with so they can continue stealing other peoples property because they somehow feel they are entitled to it even though they refuse to pay for it.

1Perry said:

It's amazing the strawmen people will come up with so they can continue stealing other peoples property because they somehow feel they are entitled to it even though they refuse to pay for it.

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It's amazing how the blind refuse to open their eyes when faced with facts, and will instead keep spouting the same old propaganda lines in order to justify expansion of government power.

Some libertarian you are.

Temporal said:

It's amazing how the blind refuse to open their eyes when faced with facts, and will instead keep spouting the same old propaganda lines in order to justify expansion of government power.

Some libertarian you are.

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I've seen no legitimate arguement outside of being pissed that you might not be able to as freely D/L the property of others.

"The Obama administration has joined the ranks of skeptics of the Stop Online Piracy Act. In an online statement released Saturday, three senior White House officials wrote that the administration "will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet."

Obama administration joins the ranks of SOPA skeptics

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"The Obama administration has joined the ranks of skeptics of the Stop Online Piracy Act. In an online statement released Saturday, three senior White House officials wrote that the administration "will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet."

Obama administration joins the ranks of SOPA skeptics

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He was going to veto the indefinate detention bill also.

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I've seen no legitimate arguement outside of being pissed that you might not be able to as freely D/L the property of others.

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Either you haven't read the powers granted by the proposed bill or you are really, really not a libertarian.

I could post a link to a youtube video in this post, that youtube video has some music background.

DP gets sued and potentially shut down.

This is causing a big stir on the forumns for the game I play, Leage of Legends. They get many thousands of people to watch average joe playing a video game online via streaming. I guess SOPA would be able to attack these streamers and LoL wants to keep that viewer base alive to build a competative sports-like scene. I wonder what SOPA would do to internet radio stations? I think it would totally kill them.


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/help-us-stop-sopa

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1696462

When super popular games are speaking up against you, you know you've F'd up and reached too far.