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At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

is the iraq war over ??

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yesterday it was, today it isn't...

in the wake of today's bombing, president obama ostensibly can't just wave a confident hand and say the war is over.

if he could he would have wished saddam into the cornfield as a senator and fixed syria today.

joe biden's dream of three iraqs is coming to fruition, and we're apparently buds with the taliban. why would the west point generals know more about war and peace than a community organiser ??



BBC News - At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks
 
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yesterday it was, today it isn't...

in the wake of today's bombing, president obama ostensibly can't just wave a confident hand and say the war is over.

if he could he would have wished saddam into the cornfield as a senator and fixed syria today.

joe biden's dream of three iraqs is coming to fruition, and we're apparently buds with the taliban. why would the west point generals know more about war and peace than a community organiser ??

BBC News - At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks

Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

Now.
 
It's their country. If they want to blow each other up that's their problem.
 
Troop withdrawal by December 31 of this year was a bilateral agreement signed in 2008. The war is over due to that agreement, not to an Obama fiat.

Of course, if Iraq remains peaceful, then the Republicans will point to that fact as an indication that it was a Republican CIC who brought a successful end to that conflict, while the Democrats will claim it was all Obama. If, on the other hand, Iran invades or the Taliban takes over, then the Republicans will blame Obama, while the Democrats point to the withdrawal agreement of 2008.

But, come what may, the fact is that the withdrawal was already agreed to before Obama became CIC.
 
Troop withdrawal by December 31 of this year was a bilateral agreement signed in 2008. The war is over due to that agreement, not to an Obama fiat.

Of course, if Iraq remains peaceful, then the Republicans will point to that fact as an indication that it was a Republican CIC who brought a successful end to that conflict, while the Democrats will claim it was all Obama. If, on the other hand, Iran invades or the Taliban takes over, then the Republicans will blame Obama, while the Democrats point to the withdrawal agreement of 2008.

But, come what may, the fact is that the withdrawal was already agreed to before Obama became CIC.

You beat me to it. I was going to post that the decision to end the Iraq war was made by the Bush administration.
 
Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

Now.

It took some of the smartest men in history 12 years to form a government, that we now call the United States of America.

You really expect these clowns to do it in less time?

But, hey! Am I the only one that isn't surprised that the bad guys went on the down low, until U.S. forces moved out, then decided to get off the hook?
 
It took some of the smartest men in history 12 years to form a government, that we now call the United States of America.

You really expect these clowns to do it in less time?

But, hey! Am I the only one that isn't surprised that the bad guys went on the down low, until U.S. forces moved out, then decided to get off the hook?

Eh? What's that you say?

Sorry, apdst, I can't hear you over the groaning creaks of the aging American infrastructure, the protesters in the streets and the politicians' advocating austerity measures. You'll have to speak up and make sure your head isn't obstructing any excretory functions before making suggestions on where we should spend billions of dollars.

The average American only gave a **** about Iraq when they believed Bush's lies about them being an eminent threat, but given your history here, I'm sure you'd got a well developed and logically sound case that will sway them to your viewpoint.
 
So glad that the Obama Administration failed to negotiate a simple SOFA agreement. well done, Mr Smartest President Ever.
 
Eh? What's that you say?

Sorry, apdst, I can't hear you over the groaning creaks of the aging American infrastructure, the protesters in the streets and the politicians' advocating austerity measures. You'll have to speak up and make sure your head isn't obstructing any excretory functions before making suggestions on where we should spend billions of dollars.

What aging infrastructure?

Protetstor? Oh, uou must mean the protestors that trash out public parks and demand more government handouts because they too stupid, or lazy to find a job.

While you're whining about government spending, you might want to get your boy in check, lest you appear the hypocirite. Solyndra ring a bell?

The average American only gave a **** about Iraq when they believed Bush's lies about them being an eminent threat, but given your history here, I'm sure you'd got a well developed and logically sound case that will sway them to your viewpoint.

The average American understands that 4,000 casualties are better than 400,000.
 
What aging infrastructure?

Oh please, are you kidding me? Do a simple google search on "America's aging infrastructure" and you will see that roads, bridges, water/sewer lines, electric grid, etc are all sub par and are in need of repair and upgrade.

How about we fix OUR country before we try nation building ok?
 
So glad that the Obama Administration failed to negotiate a simple SOFA agreement. well done, Mr Smartest President Ever.

The Iraqis wanted us out. We had no choice.
 
Oh please, are you kidding me? Do a simple google search on "America's aging infrastructure" and you will see that roads, bridges, water/sewer lines, electric grid, etc are all sub par and are in need of repair and upgrade.

How about we fix OUR country before we try nation building ok?


Yes, because the $50 billion per year wouldn't disappear into the sea of union payola when compared to this current thief -n- chiefs TRILLION plus vomitorium of frivolous spending for the past three years....GAWD you libs are just ridiculous with your knee jerk criticism sometimes.


j-mac
 
The Iraqis wanted us out. We had no choice.

At the very least maybe Obama could have traded Iraq for our drone in Iran....As it stands now he got nothing....What a superior negotiator...


j-mac
 
Yes, because the $50 billion per year wouldn't disappear into the sea of union payola when compared to this current thief -n- chiefs TRILLION plus vomitorium of frivolous spending for the past three years....GAWD you libs are just ridiculous with your knee jerk criticism sometimes.


j-mac

Where did I say it would have to go to unions? I simply corrected YOUR error in saying "what aging infrastructure?".

Regardless of how, there is in fact a serious problem with the aging infrastructure we currently have. I'd rather money go to us to fix what we have than to the Iraqis, sorry.

You really can't step back long enough to look at something without a liberal/conservative bias can you?
 
At the very least maybe Obama could have traded Iraq for our drone in Iran....As it stands now he got nothing....What a superior negotiator...


j-mac

No, the Iraqis are tired of us, no amount of negotiating (that would have benefited us) would change this. But please, go ahead on your foaming at the mouth Obama rant.
 
Arabs for the most part (around 85% of them) are ignorant, completely uneducated. Violence is their way of life. Starting the war was the first mistake, not actually fighting to win was the second mistake. We need to just turn our backs on them and let them duke it out.
 
It's their country. If they want to blow each other up that's their problem.

I think that this article is quite relevant (54 Iraqis Die In Not Our Problem Anymore | The Onion - America's Finest News Source)

Arabs for the most part (around 85% of them) are ignorant, completely uneducated. Violence is their way of life. Starting the war was the first mistake, not actually fighting to win was the second mistake. We need to just turn our backs on them and let them duke it out.

Oh yeah! People coming in with stereotyping and racism!
 
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Where did I say it would have to go to unions? I simply corrected YOUR error in saying "what aging infrastructure?".


"I" made a comment dismissing aging infrastructure? where?


Regardless of how, there is in fact a serious problem with the aging infrastructure we currently have. I'd rather money go to us to fix what we have than to the Iraqis, sorry.

Regardless of how? Backtracking now are we? See, that is what happens when you throw out mindless talking points. Let me tell you a little ditty in my area to make my point if I could....

Last year Duke Energy came forth with a doubling of electric rates for what they said was a need to improve, and or replace our out of date infrastructure that existed in our area, this was approved and our electric bills doubled immediately. As the year went along, it was far and few between that anyone that I know could point to of these projects taking place, except for a very few. Now this year, Duke comes back and says that they need another doubling of rates for guess what? That's right, improving, and or replacing out of date infrastructure. This claim of all these projects that we need to do right this minute is a bunch of malarkey, and only a way of soaking the customers.

But regardless of my anecdotal evidence, there are things that should be done, and are appropriated through the course of normal congressional business. Where did that money go? And if you say to Iraq, then please show in plain, and clear numbers that money was actually taken out of the money already appropriated, and diverted to pay for Iraq. Without that, I think you are talking out of some other orifice rather than your mouth. Sorry.

You really can't step back long enough to look at something without a liberal/conservative bias can you?

Oh please. I know it was easier when everyone was asleep, to ram through your every progressive wet dream through the use of disingenuous pablum which uses a paragraph to say one sentence, but people are waking up now, and you can't get away with it.

j-mac
 
No, the Iraqis are tired of us, no amount of negotiating (that would have benefited us) would change this. But please, go ahead on your foaming at the mouth Obama rant.

The joke was over your head....Carry on.


j-mac
 
Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

Now.

Yes!! I am sick and frickin' tired of the United States policing the world at the sole expense of our brave soldiers and American taxpayers. We get nothingin return except our dead and maimed soldiers' bodies sent home. And there's even a maybe on that. Stability? We don't even get that. Thanks? Nope. Reciprocity? You must be kidding. IMO, if you want US aid and it make sense from a self-interest perspective, you'd better be able to pony up and repay the enormous burden being put on American citizens. We are not a bottomless pit of goodness.
 
Does it really matter whether the war is over if the battle continues?

There's too much theocratic idealism in Iraq for the separate church and state democracy we installed to hold for long.

We were fairly lucky with the not-so-religious Saddam's iron-fisted stability .. until he aspired to the power of a god.

As long as there are "unaccounted for" old Soviet nukes, and less available light sweet crude than needed, not only in America, but in places like China where so many of our jobs have been off-shored, if there is also just a twinge of theocratic idealism in the region, you'll find our "presence" there, doing whatever we think is necessary ..

.. To protect our world piece ..

.. Of the pie.
 
Does it really matter whether the war is over if the battle continues?

There's too much theocratic idealism in Iraq for the separate church and state democracy we installed to hold for long.

We were fairly lucky with the not-so-religious Saddam's iron-fisted stability .. until he aspired to the power of a god.

As long as there are "unaccounted for" old Soviet nukes, and less available light sweet crude than needed, not only in America, but in places like China where so many of our jobs have been off-shored, if there is also just a twinge of theocratic idealism in the region, you'll find our "presence" there, doing whatever we think is necessary ..

.. To protect our world piece ..

.. Of the pie.


That's just the point, there isn't going to be a presence in Iraq. So how does that fit your ditty?


j-mac
 
I seem to recall people claiming that the bombings and violence in Iraq only occurred because of the US troop presence, and thus the US was responsible. Well, now the US is gone, and the bombings continue. So much for that theory.
 
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