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Kim Jong Il Dies

solletica said:
Alright. Time to face facts. NK's leadership is not the way it is because it likes to be mean and closed and starve its people :rolleyes:

It's just that other govts don't want to help it; they instead want to just exploit its desperate position to their advantage, and the US govt is notorious for doing that. The aid packages offered by nations (including the US) always come w/exploitative conditions. So for NK to surrender its nukes means surrendering its sovereignty and of course, it doesn't want that.

What NK should do is follow the China model of reforms--making a slow gradual transition to a more efficient market economy. It should try to establish closer relations w/China, if possible.

It also wouldn't hurt NK to allow the UN to inspect its nukes, assuming it has any that are functional. Once a nuclear deterrent is present and working, there's no reason for secrecy.

NK can reform itself w/the right leadership. We can only hope that the son rises to the challenge and makes it happen.
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Making up excuses for a dictatorship, eh? Not that I expected much.
China already rules North Korea.
North Korea already made its decision to be isolated. Didn't you even heard of the Yeongpyong attacks, the Korean Air bombing, the Yangon bombing, or all those other hostile acts?
Next, you'll probably say that the US engineered all of them. :doh
 
Proud South Korean said:
Making up excuses for a dictatorship, eh? Not that I expected much.
China already rules North Korea.
North Korea already made its decision to be isolated. Didn't you even heard of the Yeongpyong attacks, the Korean Air bombing, the Yangon bombing, or all those other hostile acts?
Next, you'll probably say that the US engineered all of them. :doh
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The Great Leader stopped the Zerg swarm! :3

But yeah, the propaganda force is strong in NK. They probably don't blame their dear leader for the famine and all the turmoil, but themselves for not working hard enough.

Hey, does China still send back North Koreans who try to escape from NK? You get to meet any defectors?
 
Empirica said:
The world is a better place today than it was yesterday.
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What has changed? Is North Korea now a better place to live for its people and less a threat to world security?
 
solletica said:
Indeed, Kim Jong Il helped his country defend itself and maintain its sovereignty.
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I give up. It's obvious you're just another commie brainwashed into believing NK propaganda.
I have no words left for you
 
misterman said:
What has changed? Is North Korea now a better place to live for its people and less a threat to world security?
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We're not sure about the first one or the second.
She means that it's a better place because a madman who oppressed his people, his neighbors, and countries around the world
 
Empirica said:
People like Kim jong il, adolf hitler, mao tse tung, pol pot or vladimir lenin need not personally wrong someone to be offensive to the senses of humanity.

The world becomes a better place whenever any tyrant or communist dies__The higher the rank of the dead communist, the greater the benefit to the world.
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maybe ,the world would be a better place if all capitalist tyrants died :) some americans need much more knowledge about our world....
 
Medusa said:
maybe ,the world would be a better place if all capitalist tyrants died :) some americans need much more knowledge about our world....
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I'm sure all capitalists are tyrants and that anybody not capitalist and is anti-US is an angel
 
E-M said:
Calling this guy an anti-imperialist is a joke. Ask the people of Tibet how anti-imperialist NK's friend China is. Being anti-U.S. is not automatic anti-imperialism, especially when it makes so much sense for them to ally with China anyways.

The whole anti-imperialist movement is shamed when people try to include NK as part of it. Remember that we are against the U.S. only because we are for the better forms of government that the U.S. has historically ensured would not succeed. There is nothing about NK anyone should be for.
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in fact ı dont like any dictators, and never support these regimes,either,but all I do is criticizing the capitalist propagandas against independent regimes in the world.yesterday,che was the enemy of US,now al-Qaida or kim jong ,it doesnt matter.....


south korean ,partly you are right,but if this issue is related to being anti american,it means there is a real problem.ı think nobody has to support the politics of other countries(they dont have to support their own countries' politics)..and it comes to the conclusion that some americans dont like this man because he was anti american, do these people like saudi kings?do they have a problem with those fake mullahs?

no,but why???
 
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Medusa said:
in fact ı dont like any dictators, and never support these regimes,either,but all I do is criticizing the capitalist propagandas against independent regimes in the world.yesterday,che was the enemy of US,now al-Qaida or kim jong ,it doesnt matter.....
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So you think that dictators and terrorist organizations are actually all real-to-good people, that they're just misrepresented by US propaganda?
 
Don't be too euphoric. His son could run amok anytime.
 
RDS said:
Don't be too euphoric. His son could run amok anytime.
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The thing people don't seems to get is that Kim-Jong-Il was not the only problem. Of course, he had a huge part in the sustaining of that system, but just because one important person died doesn't means that the whole system will fail. Did the Soviet Union fall down when Lenin died? Or with Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, or Chernenko?
 
Proud South Korean said:
The last sentence is plain out wrong. North Korean propaganda is very powerful, and many of those people do actually love their leader.
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It's been pounded into their heads, 24-7, since the moment of their birth.

Communism can only survive under the protection of a police state,

which controls everything including the flow of information.(propaganda)
 
Proud South Korean said:
The thing people don't seems to get is that Kim-Jong-Il was not the only problem. Of course, he had a huge part in the sustaining of that system, but just because one important person died doesn't means that the whole system will fail. Did the Soviet Union fall down when Lenin died? Or with Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, or Chernenko?
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Ok, you being a korean you know best.
 
Proud South Korean said:
So you think that dictators and terrorist organizations are actually all real-to-good people, that they're just misrepresented by US propaganda?
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no I dont think anything,but some americans think those who dont obey america's rules are bad people, saudi kings are one of those real terrorists ,but they dont react against those fake muslims...
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
So you admit you were trolling.

Got it.
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Foul. He was funny. I'd equate this to killing OBL, about the same amount of Obama involvement.

Medusa said:
ı wonder what will happen now there.is there a raul castro of north koreans? if not we can see so exciting actions.. :)
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You really don't have a clue?

solletica said:
It's just that other govts don't want to help it; they instead want to just exploit its desperate position to their advantage, and the US govt is notorious for doing that. The aid packages offered by nations (including the US) always come w/exploitative conditions.
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What is the west exploiting nK of... Comedy? It's really not that funny.

Medusa said:
yes ı agree with you,he was night mare because he was anti imperialist :)
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Huh. A joke, right?

Medusa said:
maybe ,the world would be a better place if all capitalist tyrants died :) some americans need much more knowledge about our world....
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You don't know if Kim has a brother, or who is taking the reigns. You don't know how many sons he has or which one will take control (or why). You admitted in the first quote, above, that you have no idea what's goin' on.


Proud South Korean said:
So you think that dictators and terrorist organizations are actually all real-to-good people, that they're just misrepresented by US propaganda?
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Never seen that before? Many people claim that Iraq was better under Saddam.
 
Proud South Korean said:
The thing people don't seems to get is that Kim-Jong-Il was not the only problem. Of course, he had a huge part in the sustaining of that system, but just because one important person died doesn't means that the whole system will fail. Did the Soviet Union fall down when Lenin died? Or with Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, or Chernenko?
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no but it failed after gorbaçov's administration,as fas as ı know..

ecofarm,ı am reading all the things here,but cant know which brother or son will be governer,of course!!!!but they need a raul castro type to extend their regime....
 
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Medusa said:
no but it failed after gorbaçov's administration,as fas as ı know..

ecofarm,ı am reading all the things here,but cant know which brother will be governer,of course!!!!but they need a raul castro type to extend their regime....
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Fail. Gorbachev intentionally gave it up and the system was already failing, with massive protests and uprisings. North Korea hasn't reached there yet
 
Medusa said:
no but it failed after gorbaçov's administration,as fas as ı know..

ecofarm,ı am reading all the things here,but cant know which brother will be governer,of course!!!!but they need a raul castro type to extend their regime....
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Why do you admire Raul Castro so much?
Also, it'll probably be a son, most likely his third son. Read the discussion :doh
 
His fat face 28 (?) year old son looks a lot like a young Mao Tse Tung. I love the videos of the Northerners "crying" at the news of his death. They are so crazy even the propaganda is funny. The films look like they were directed by a six year old.
 
Proud South Korean said:
Why do you admire Raul Castro so much?
Also, it'll probably be a son, most likely his third son. Read the discussion :doh
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son or brother or grand son,but he has to be strong enough to keep up this regime..
 
Medusa said:
no I dont think anything,but some americans think those who dont obey america's rules are bad people, saudi kings are one of those real terrorists ,but they dont react against those fake muslims...
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They can't react unless water can be used as a substitute to oil.
 
rhinefire said:
His fat face 28 (?) year old son looks a lot like a young Mao Tse Tung. I love the videos of the Northerners "crying" at the news of his death. They are so crazy even the propaganda is funny. The films look like they were directed by a six year old.
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The sad thing is, the crying and sadness is actually true. Their North Korean propaganda is very powerful.
There's speculation that he had plastic surgery to look like Kim-Il-Sung. There's already an immense cult of personality surrounding Kim-Il-Sung and Kim-Jung-Il (Jung better pronounciates the Korean than Jong), and a physical similarity will strengthen him and consolidate his position as leader.
However, there's very few evidence to back it up and it's mostly speculation
 
Medusa said:
son or brother or grand son,but he has to be strong enough to keep up this regime..
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:doh
It makes a huge difference whether his son, brother, or grandson succeeds as leader. All three have completely different styles of thinking and behavior
 
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