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Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

Thunder said:
I have no problem with my tax-dollars going to a 5-year welfare program for folks that are down on their luck.

all sorts of people go on public assistance. I remember years ago, we almost had a welfare-to-work person who had a Phd.

we were like.."what??????? someone with a Phd was on welfare????" but it was true.

times are tough, and all sorts of folks need help. my cousin's husband was a stock broker, got laid off in 2008, and had to go on unemployment. I don't think he thought he'd ever be in such a position. but it happens to even the luckiest and most fortunate of us all.
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I oppose most government welfare programs for several reasons

1) most are not proper constitutionally if they are run by the federal government

2) they are usually designed to buy the votes for the politicians who push them rather than to actually help the poor

3) they tend to create people who become addicted to entitlements and who then continue to vote for the politicians who take from us to give to the addicts

4) subsidizing dependency increases dependency

I much prefer private charity which is far less likely to be abused and is not intended to benefit pimps known as politicians
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem confused, the reason why I worked hard, made top grades, went to top schools and earned top degrees is so I wouldn't have to. and I am not responsible for anyone being poor so WTF do I have a duty to take care of their problems?

especially since so many of them are unwilling to make any effort to take care of themselves
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And not only that but you NEVER went to a public school that's never like in I got $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so I never had to humiliate myself by attending a public school, I really feel sorry for you never having the chance to see how the other side lives, but as you know when the chinese nationalize all american holdings in China and call in the monies President Bush used to finance his war, money is not going to be worth the paper it's printed on and then who knows maybe you will see and feel what poverty is like
 
TurtleDude said:
...3) they tend to create people who become addicted to entitlements and who then continue to vote for the politicians who take from us to give to the addicts...
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Please explain how a 5-year welfare entitlement can make someone addicted to entitlements.

Mind you, in NYC after 3 years...folks on welfare have to work for the city while they collect their benefits for the last 2 years.
 
Catawba said:
Show me three pictures of how rough the rich are having it...................
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that has no relevance just as your rants about the poor have no relevance. I haven't made anyone poor and thus I have no moral responsibility to be taxed more to salve the butt hurt whining of the envious who pretend that their desires for higher taxes actually is designed to help the poor

The poor in this country are used by envious lefties much like the palestinian refugees are used by rich Arab robber barons. The envious lefties use the poor to bash the rich while the palestinians are used by the robber barons to bash the Israelis

in both cases the bashers pretend they care about the downtrodden but their actions prove quite the opposite
 
American said:
I guess we need to double their welfare checks, don't we?
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Unless you are a disabled, you can only stay on welfare for 2 years without working. In addition to those that can find no jobs, the biggest share of those in poverty are the working poor, those that work full time for wages that don't provide a living.

So, should I put you down for your vote for a living wage for those who work full-time, or do you wish to continue paying welfare?
 
TurtleDude said:
...The poor in this country are used by envious lefties much like the palestinian refugees are used by rich Arab robber barons. The envious lefties use the poor to bash the rich while the palestinians are used by the robber barons to bash the Israelis...
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so how come we want them to get a job and stop being poor?
 
EarlzP said:
And not only that but you NEVER went to a public school that's never like in I got $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so I never had to humiliate myself by attending a public school, I really feel sorry for you never having the chance to see how the other side lives, but as you know when the chinese nationalize all american holdings in China and call in the monies President Bush used to finance his war, money is not going to be worth the paper it's printed on and then who knows maybe you will see and feel what poverty is like
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This makes absolutely no sense
 
TurtleDude said:
that has no relevance just as your rants about the poor have no relevance.
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So you can't find even 3 pictures to show how rough the rich are having it???

Well don't expect any sympathy for your constant whining!
 
Catawba said:
So you can't find even 3 pictures to show how rough the rich are having it???

Well don't expect any sympathy for your constant whining!
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I don't need sympathy I am not dependent on others

and your silly rants about finding pictures how rough the rich are having it are just plain stupid.

the existence of so many parasites are taxing enough on the rich
 
Thunder said:
good thing voter fraud is not a serious issue in the USA.
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Just because fraud has not been vigorously prosecuted, doesn't mean that it isn't prolific in the US. Just ask gov. Walker.

J-mac

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TurtleDude said:
I don't need sympathy
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Glad to hear you being so accepting of the elimination of Capital Gains tax break the majority of Americans support!
 
TurtleDude said:
This makes absolutely no sense
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I think you are in denial and feel sorry for you, When the GIG is up and the Chinese pull the plug the poor won't feel it any where as much as you will, they have been conditioned to what it is like to live in poverty.
 
Catawba said:
Glad to hear you being so accepting of the elimination of Capital Gains tax break the majority of Americans support!
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You think Wall Street is up the creek now, just wait till you mess with Capital Gains.
 
American said:
You think Wall Street is up the creek now, just wait till you mess with Capital Gains.
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The best thing that could ever happen is that Wall Street would be swallowed up by the creek
 
Catawba said:
Glad to hear you being so accepting of the elimination of Capital Gains tax break the majority of Americans support!
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why do you keep spewing your envy of those who do better than you?

Most losers support taxes on those who do better than them

doesn't make that right

that is why we need a tax system where the parasites cannot vote up the rates on the producers without suffering a like hike themselves
 
EarlzP said:
The best thing that could ever happen is that Wall Street would be swallowed up by the creek
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wow that is some serious hatred of america there
 
EarlzP said:
I think you are in denial and feel sorry for you, When the GIG is up and the Chinese pull the plug the poor won't feel it any where as much as you will, they have been conditioned to what it is like to live in poverty.
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Earl, you are yet to utter a single accurate thing about me.
 
"Do you realize why costs are rising?"

Because speculators with way too much cash are driving up prices on commodities?
Or is it the 20% a year profit growth Corporations need to keep their stock from crashing?
 
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TurtleDude said:
why do you keep spewing your envy of those who do better than you?

Most losers support taxes on those who do better than them

doesn't make that right

that is why we need a tax system where the parasites cannot vote up the rates on the producers without suffering a like hike themselves
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The only system that can work in a consumer based ecnomy like ours is one that taxes money not spent. Taxing money that people would spend boosting the economy is self-defeating. Progressive taxes benefit all by boosting the economy and putting "lost" money to work when the Govt. spends it.
 
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American said:
I don't give a **** whether it is or not; I want every mother****er showing their ID when they vote. That includes all the illegals and deceased Democrats they can dig up.
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Of course you do not care if the facts do not support your desire to limit the rights of American citizens. The fact that you cannot show any measurable voter fraud and it demonstrates that there is no problem which requires a solution does not deter you from the march to fascism and stripping Americans of Constitutional protections.

No surprise there. I guess we should at least thank you fro your honesty...... as repugnant as it is.
 
j-mac said:
Just because fraud has not been vigorously prosecuted, doesn't mean that it isn't prolific in the US. Just ask gov. Walker.

J-mac

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I guess you would also subscribe to just because we cannot show that there are not three inch monkeys made of flame which play professional basketball underneath the surface of Uranus that does not mean there are none?
 
TurtleDude said:
...Most losers support taxes on those who do better than them...

...that is why we need a tax system where the parasites cannot vote up the rates on the producers without suffering a like hike themselves
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Jesus, do you really think using hateful language like this helps your argument?
 
iguanaman said:
The only system that can work in a consumer based ecnomy like ours is one that taxes money not spent. Taxing money that people would spend boosting the economy is self-defeating. Progressive taxes benefit all by boosting the economy and putting "lost" money to work when the Govt. spends it.
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not taxing those who demand more government sufficiently only causes them to demand more and more government
 
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