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Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

Boo Radley said:
Really, you guys should quit promoting class warfare if you think it is a problem. Quit favoring the wealthy so much and demonizing working people. I can't do much about so many of you drinking the koolaid, but the problem in this regard is really on your side, the Fox network political entertainers republican talking point side.
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:roll: Come on dude, really? Can't you do better than this?


j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
Really, you guys should quit promoting class warfare if you think it is a problem. Quit favoring the wealthy so much and demonizing working people.
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Why do people make a distinction between "the wealthy" and "the working people". If you're wealthy, you're most likely also working.
 
Josie said:
Why do people make a distinction between "the wealthy" and "the working people". If you're wealthy, you're most likely also working.
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Very true, however don't expect arguments born of jealous, irrational rage to be coherent.

j-mac
 
Josie said:
Why do people make a distinction between "the wealthy" and "the working people". If you're wealthy, you're most likely also working.
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It's a distinction only made by socialists and communists.
 
American said:
It's a distinction only made by socialists and communists.
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Not true. I am neither and I make that distinction. Actually it is a distinction that can be made by anyone studying income, class and social divisions in any society. If you study sociology, such terms are central to that social science.
 
j-mac said:
You wouldn't know what that is if it bit you in the arse.



j-mac
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Well, that showed me. But, I insist that what I said is true. I've given you links. I've listened to your side demonize workers and teachers for sometime now. So, I think the support is largely on my side. Perhaps I could say you would know valid support if it bit you in the arse? :coffeepap
 
haymarket said:
Not true. I am neither and I make that distinction. Actually it is a distinction that can be made by anyone studying income, class and social divisions in any society. If you study sociology, such terms are central to that social science.
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Why do you think that is?
 
Josie said:
Why do people make a distinction between "the wealthy" and "the working people". If you're wealthy, you're most likely also working.
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Working class/working people means people who are employed for wages. They rely on employment.
 
Wake said:
Would you consider nurses and computer technician/etc "working class"?
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Please stop playing games with words. It is clear what the meaning behind working class means. Here is a definition:

Adj. 1. working-class - of those who work for wages especially manual or industrial laborers; "party of the propertyless proletariat"- G.B.Shaw
propertyless, wage-earning, blue-collar

low-class, lower-class - occupying the lowest socioeconomic position in a society

2. working-class - working for hourly wages rather than fixed (e.g. annual) salaries; "working-class occupations include manual as well as industrial labor"
wage-earning
blue-collar - of or designating manual industrial work or workers

working-class - definition of working-class by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


It is quite clear that working class does not include millionaires so how about we dispense with the stupid word games ok?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhh because that is what the working class is.
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As defined by Marx

Karl Marx defined the "working class" or proletariat as "those individuals who sell their labor and do not own the means of production" whom he believed to be responsible for creating the wealth of a society (buildings, bridges and furniture, for example, are physically built by members of this class; many new inventions and other "intellectual products" are also created by people who work for wages).


Working class - Definition | WordIQ.com

Your definition is hardly surprising.
 
TheNextEra said:
Please stop playing games with words. It is clear what the meaning behind working class means. Here is a definition:

Adj. 1. working-class - of those who work for wages especially manual or industrial laborers; "party of the propertyless proletariat"- G.B.Shaw
propertyless, wage-earning, blue-collar

low-class, lower-class - occupying the lowest socioeconomic position in a society

2. working-class - working for hourly wages rather than fixed (e.g. annual) salaries; "working-class occupations include manual as well as industrial labor"
wage-earning
blue-collar - of or designating manual industrial work or workers

working-class - definition of working-class by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


It is quite clear that working class does not include millionaires so how about we dispense with the stupid word games ok?
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Enough.

You just now offered the sufficient info I was looking for.
 
Josie said:
Why do you think that is?
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Wage earners, largely not having their money making their money. Lazyiness or working is not limited to either class.
 
j-mac said:
Adding qualifiers? You didn't mention 'physical labor' in your original statement.


j-mac
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Ohhh excuse me for leaving out the most common sense point from the term WORKING CLASS.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh excuse me for leaving out the most common sense point from the term WORKING CLASS.
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wait..so only those who do physical labor are part of the working class?

that confuses blue-collar work with working class, even though many white-collar workers make blue-collar wages.
 
So what exactly qualifies poverty or low-income in these stats? Also I like how every thread about the poor ends in people insulting one another all the time and the same exact people with the same exact insults and the same exact socialist bull**** pushed together with the same Atlas Shrugged bull****. It's a peanut butter & jelly situation.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not convinced. I think it is merely one of those easy answers some like to throw out because it hits a soft spot. But the fact is, that ship has mostly sailed, and asking people to be married for the sake of being married isn't too smart. It may be that we need two incomes, because if one could do it, you'd ahve noa rgument at all. So, perhaps it is not marriage, but combined incomes you are really promoting.
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nope. marriage. simply combining incomes isn't much unless you are also lowering your living expenses by living together; but even that has muted effects unless you actually marry. these aren't cpwill's opinions - they are the statistics. cohabitating couples see less specialization and less financial success than married ones. i'm not saying people should get married willy nilly - i am saying that they should expect to have poor families if they do not, financially and spiritually.

You should dig deep on the entitlement meme. Too many use that as an easy answer as well.
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that welfare creates poverty? well, the statistics certainly seem to bear out that subsidizing poverty lowers incentives to leave it, therebye enshrining it as a generational cycle.

i was, of course, however, talking about the fact that there is literally not enough money in the world to fund our future liabilities for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Working together, even through government, is not really entitlement.
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"working together through government" :) what an interesting turn of phrase.

we're not banning you from criticizing the war in afghanistan. we're just speaking together through government. :)


hmmm.... i could see the uses of that. reminds me of the time when I discovered that torture was fine because all the laws that banned it were "living documents", and thus suited to reinterpretation "in light of the times" etc.
 
Thunder said:
wait..so only those who do physical labor are part of the working class?

that confuses blue-collar work with working class, even though many white-collar workers make blue-collar wages.
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and not a few blue collar workers make white collar wages.

want to do well for yourself today? become a plumber.
 
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