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Germany printing Deutsche Marks, British Foreign Office warns of euro chaos

Henrin said:
Its funny that your mind set was figured out in 1850 by a Frenchman. Don't you think?
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Figured out? Hardly....some of his writings are as stupid now as they were then if not more. Society now is not the society of 1850 and anyone wanting to go back those times needs their heads examined. Saying that, I do agree with him on certain issues, but certainly not on the comments you posted...

I asked a simple question. In Europe we have chosen to have our healthcare and education system paid via taxes. Hence I am asking the simple question... are those the ones we dont need?
 
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PeteEU said:
Figured out? Hardly....some of his writings are as stupid now as they were then if not more. Society now is not the society of 1850 and anyone wanting to go back those times needs their heads examined. Saying that, I do agree with him on certain issues, but certainly not on the comments you posted...
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You didn't say how I noticed. And you wouldn't be moving back to 1850 in this country or in france. Learn up on what he just said about government and compare that to 1850 in the us and 1850 in france then get back to me.

I asked a simple question. In Europe we have chosen to have our healthcare and education system paid via taxes. Hence I am asking the simple question... are those the ones we dont need?
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If I were to say no what would be your answer? The answer is no though. We don't need government providing those services.
 
PeteEU said:
So we dont need unemployment insurance, education and healthcare?
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- These are some programs, and then there are others like a year of paid maternity leave, paid daycare, paid time off for new fathers, higher minimum wages, longer vacation times, and earlier retirement ages.



PeteEU said:
Wait a minute.. our corporation tax is lower than that of the US!... that is after all what you conservatives types are throwing into the US debate about your so called "massively high" corporate tax...

As for "over-regulated"... another myth. Are there some countries that have too many regulations.. sure, and they should deal with that, but there are also countries who have less regulations than the US.
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I work for a Swedish corporation, there are indeed much more regulations than American companies are subjected to. Not least of which is the fact that it is impossible to fire anybody, which leads to inefficiency as Swedish labor spends half their day on coffee breaks.


PeteEU said:
Okay, you not only just shot yourself in the face, but placed your own fist up your... OUR governments are DOING something. All countries are cutting costs, redoing pension systems, and so on... even those with great economies. There is very little if any gridlock in individual countries. It is YOUR government and political system that is in utter gridlock not being able to determine the colour of the freaking bathroom without a 60% majority vote in the Senate. Now on EU level governments are fighting for national interests, just as they are suppose too do. This takes time, but things do get done and they at least do talk to each other in a civilized way.. minus the UK of course.



LOL seriously? Where did you get this nugget... CATO? Fox News? Your local GOP talking points? Loosing our sense of identity.. HA!.. that is rich. Prove it.
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I'm a dual Swedish and American citizen so I have seen both countries up close. I have lived several years in Europe. Sweden, for example, doesn't look like Sweden anymore. It's probably about 30% Muslim. Same can be said for France and Germany and certainly GB. And there is anger all over Europe over it... just look at the recent election results across Europe and the prominence of "national" parties. People are very scared of losing their identity. It is not stable and in fact very stupid policy of the leaders to let in so many refugees.

As for the governments... how many times have we seen a PM take a strong stand only to be knocked out a few months later? That doesn't happen in the United States.

To say Europe is strong like the United States is foolish.
 
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Henrin said:
You didn't say how I noticed. And you wouldn't be moving back to 1850 in this country or in france. Learn up on what he just said about government and compare that to 1850 in the us and 1850 in france then get back to me.
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And you get get back to me when you realize that his views are based on his life and the situations around him in 1850. Make a list on the differences between 1850 and 2011, and then get back to me.

If I were to say no what would be your answer? The answer is no though. We don't need government providing those services.
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So you want something like Somalia?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Furthermore, I don't care if they print Deutsche Marks or Deutsche Bags... it isn't going to help. Europe is a prime example of how leftist economic models fail.
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Nonsense. Europes problem is mostly with the financial institutions and the ill-conceived Euro currency. It's funny that you don't see a problem with money in Germany and they have a much better "safety net" than we here in the US would ever dream of. Deregulation of the banking system and an ensuing housing bubble, casino like speculative bond purchases, CDS's it's the same damn thing the banks did to us here. The difference is that Euro tieing the weak and strong in a death grip.
 
And yet, without the Euro, Germany would not have anything near the export market it has today.

iguanaman said:
Nonsense. Europes problem is mostly with the financial institutions and the ill-conceived Euro currency. It's funny that you don't see a problem with money in Germany and they have a much better "safety net" than we here in the US would ever dream of. Deregulation of the banking system and an ensuing housing bubble, casino like speculative bond purchases, CDS's it's the same damn thing the banks did to us here. The difference is that Euro tieing the weak and strong in a death grip.
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Grant said:
So cutting any government programs would bring about another Somalia.

With thinking like this, is it any wonder that Europe is T.U.?

Eurozone crisis: Foreign Office plans evacuation of expatriates - Telegraph
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LOL where did I say that? The person in question wanted to cut totally the programs.. cutting from the programs is a whole other ball of wax.

As for the plans.. big LOL ... typical right wing thinking and I would actually expect the paranoid right wing UK government to spread rumours like this. It after all started with the conservative minister bad mouth France after the blow back on the stupid thing Cameron did at the EU summit. Typical right wing .. start lashing out in a vain hope that people forget the massive mistake they made..

Why on earth would Brits need evacuating? Has there been any violence or riots in Spain or Portugal?? No. On what planet are the anti-EU media and government in the UK living on? Based on this, then all governments should not only have planned but already evacuated their citizens from the UK since those guys have had running riots for days on end....
 
PeteEU said:
LOL talk about fanning the flames of stupidity.. hope they have their tin hats on and look for black helicopters..
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You only wish you could afford black helicopters.
 
American said:
But....but....but PeteEU assured us that everything was perfect. :rock
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Pete feels it's all the fault of the media, remember? As soon as the government gets greater control of the media the situation will improve and any fiscal, religious and cultural differences will disappear.

In fact they have already tried that but, as with everything else they touch, it has proved to be largely ineffective. Word still gets around.

Euro-court outlaws criticism of EU - Telegraph
 
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PeteEU said:
LOL where did I say that?
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You were asked "If I were to say no what would be your answer? The answer is no though. We don't need government providing those services".

And you replied, "So you want something like Somalia?"

Does the government not provide assistance for memory loss?
 
PeteEU said:
And you get get back to me when you realize that his views are based on his life and the situations around him in 1850. Make a list on the differences between 1850 and 2011, and then get back to me.
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So the government of France was like what he described? As for his understanding of things I would imagine he did get his views on it based on what was happening around him considering the context he was using.

So you want something like Somalia?
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Lol. How did you get Somalia out of that?
 
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Grant said:
Pete feels it's all the fault of the media, remember? As soon as the government gets greater control of the media the situation will improve and any fiscal, religious and cultural differences will disappear.

In fact they have already tried that but, as with everything else they touch, it has proved to be largely ineffective. Word still gets around.

Euro-court outlaws criticism of EU - Telegraph
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Boy Grant you are on a roll.... did you even bother to read the article and what it was about? Or did you do another "riots in Spain" moment?
 
Henrin said:
So the government of France was like what he described? As for his understanding of things I would imagine he did get his views on it based on what was happening around him considering the context he was using.
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The government in France, of which he was part off, was right wing traditionalist minus the religious aspect. And of course was his understanding and views based on his environment, which like it or not is much much much different than what it is today. Back then divorce was a big no no.. now days... /shrug. Back then women could not vote.. now... the list of differences goes on and on.



Lol. How did you get Somalia out of that?
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Somalia must be the right wings and libitarian wet dream No government, no public services and so on.. the rule of the gun and the rich and powerful rule over the masses..
 
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PeteEU said:
The government in France, of which he was part off, was right wing traditionalist minus the religious aspect. And of course was his understanding and views based on his environment, which like it or not is much much much different than what it is today. Back then divorce was a big no no.. now days... /shrug. Back then women could not vote.. now... the list of differences goes on and on
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In no way did the government of France in 1850 look anything like what he described, in fact he was talking against much if not all what has happening in 1850 in France. He was a person that respected the US for its respecting of rights and liberties that were present at the time but realized that not even the US was true to it. Merely that he saw the US has the closest the world has come at that time to the true meaning of government which I quoted.

However, I do understand he was part of the government in France.

Somalia must be the right wings and libitarian wet dream No government, no public services and so on.. the rule of the gun and the rich and powerful rule over the masses..
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You need to learn the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian.
 
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