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Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

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Why are there multiple copy cat killers targeting VT?

Virginia Tech University, the site of the country's worst massacre, is on lockdown after two people, including a police officer, were shot and killed on the campus.The school said the suspect is at large and students are being told, "Stay indoors. Secure in place."
An alert on the Virginia Tech school's website said: "There is an active campus alert in Blacksburg. Everyone should seek shelter or stay where you are. Blacksburg Transit service is suspended until the alert is lifted."
Virginia Tech spokesman Mark Owczarski said a campus police officer stopped a vehicle shortly after noon today in the school's Coliseum parking lot, near McComas Hall.
"During the traffic stop. the officer was shot and killed. There were witnesses to this shooting," Owczarski said in the statement.
Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer - Yahoo! News
 
That school should issue bullet proof vests at freshman orientation.
 
Getting killed at a traffic stop. Jeesh, that's a horrible way to go.
 
If only the policeman had been armed.

Oh, wait.
 
Well, in fairness being armed still gives you a pretty damn good advantage over not being armed.

And the other guy being unarmed is even better.

But I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.
 
And the other guy being unarmed is even better.

But I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.
How about waiting before pulling the trigger on this incident

you don't know where the person got the gun, how he got the gun and whether "reasonable limits" (are capital laws against murder reasonable even though they didn't stop the shootings) failed to stop a murder

I know one thing for sure--if the teacher who died trying to save students at the last VT massacre had been armed, far less people would have died
 
At least this doesn't appear to be another massacre. When I first heard on the radio that there was a lockdown at VT and two dead, I assumed it was a copy cat school shooting. It doesn't appear that is the case.
 
****ing crazy people. I hope they catch the dude before anyone else is harmed.
 
How about waiting before pulling the trigger on this incident

you don't know where the person got the gun, how he got the gun and whether "reasonable limits" (are capital laws against murder reasonable even though they didn't stop the shootings) failed to stop a murder

I know one thing for sure--if the teacher who died trying to save students at the last VT massacre had been armed, far less people would have died

That's a guess. I really don't think we need this debate again, but you assume something not proven. There is no certainty the professor could adequately use a gun, remember, I knwo some of these folks. or that he would be capable of doing anything. Too many assumptions have to be made that not everyone will accept.
 
****ing crazy people. I hope they catch the dude before anyone else is harmed.

Well, they had said some one surrendered, but I guess he was just getting the **** out of the way.
 
How about waiting before pulling the trigger on this incident

you don't know where the person got the gun, how he got the gun and whether "reasonable limits" (are capital laws against murder reasonable even though they didn't stop the shootings) failed to stop a murder

Didn't say I did. Just noting that the same old lame response doesn't work here.

I know one thing for sure--if the teacher who died trying to save students at the last VT massacre had been armed, far less people would have died

Well, no, you don't know that either. That was my whole point - the cop was armed but that didn't help!
 
That's a guess. I really don't think we need this debate again, but you assume something not proven. There is no certainty the professor could adequately use a gun, remember, I knwo some of these folks. or that he would be capable of doing anything. Too many assumptions have to be made that not everyone will accept.
Well said. I'm starting to get tired of people saying, "Well we know for sure that if X had a gun, less people would have died." No, you don't know. Every situation is different. Plenty of people with guns who know how to use them have died in altercations. Why can't people just be reasonable and say, "A gun may have hurt the situation, helped it or made no difference at all"? No one knows.
 
I live about 35 miles from VA Tech. We are getting no further news here locally than what is on the national news.

Still waiting on the details. It does sound like they had much better procedures in place to lock down the students for safety and in their notification to the students to keep them informed.
 
If only the policeman had been armed.

Oh, wait.

The cop was given a false sense of security, because he thought he was in a, "gun free", zone.

Those damn gun free zones are dangerous. Huh?
 
Didn't say I did. Just noting that the same old lame response doesn't work here.



Well, no, you don't know that either. That was my whole point - the cop was armed but that didn't help!

actually I do know. the professor was holding the door as the killer tried to force his way in

an easy shot-something I could teach just about anyone on this board to make in less than 20 minutes of instruction.
 
actually I do know. the professor was holding the door as the killer tried to force his way in

an easy shot-something I could teach just about anyone on this board to make in less than 20 minutes of instruction.

I don't think anyone needs 20 minutes of instruction to complete that shot....
 
Well said. I'm starting to get tired of people saying, "Well we know for sure that if X had a gun, less people would have died." No, you don't know. Every situation is different. Plenty of people with guns who know how to use them have died in altercations. Why can't people just be reasonable and say, "A gun may have hurt the situation, helped it or made no difference at all"? No one knows.

well we do know something: an active shooter in an environment full of unarmed victims will almost always result in MORE deaths than an active shooter in an environment full of armed potential victims.

that is beyond debate
 
I don't think anyone needs 20 minutes of instruction to complete that shot....

I was being generous. some people are real klutzes.

I can teach most normal adults to pass the county sheriff's qualifying test in less than an hour
 
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