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Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

Blackdog said:
Sparking a gun debate and using it as an example is one thing, this was nothing but politically dancing on a grave.

And the other guy being unarmed is even better.

But I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.

He was being sarcastic and using the deaths for furthering political ends, not as an example or any such nonsense.

So stop being a political hack and move on.
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Forgive me if I don't take your pious stance on this issue serious after you just called me a political hack for pointing out, correctly, that these kinds of cases always spark political discussions and are used to make political points.
 
theplaydrive said:
Forgive me if I don't take your pious stance on this issue serious after you just called me a political hack for pointing out, correctly, that these kinds of cases always spark political discussions and are used to make political points.
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You pointed out something that had little to do with his post or mine, like my pointing out his blatant dancing on the grave was somehow wrong. Which adds up to be hack in my book.
 
Blackdog said:
You pointed out something that had little to do with his post or mine, like my pointing out his blatant dancing on the grave was somehow wrong. Which adds up to be hack in my book.
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LOL. I said it's normal to bring up gun politics in a thread where someone died after being shot with a gun which is a direct commentary on your criticism of a post that did just that. It's starting to become clear to me that you just insult people who call out the ridiculousness of your posts.

Again, someone died as the result of a gunshot wound. Misterman brought gun politics into it. You tried to turn his actions into a moral issue. Then you morally insulted another poster. That's ridiculous and hilarious.
 
theplaydrive said:
LOL. I said it's normal to bring up gun politics in a thread where someone died after being shot with a gun which is a direct commentary on your criticism of a post that did just that. It's starting to become clear to me that you just insult people who call out the ridiculousness of your posts.
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The only thing ridicules here is your reply which had nothing to do with my reply to his posturing.

theplaydrive said:
Again, someone died as the result of a gunshot wound. Misterman brought gun politics into it.
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End of story.
 
Blackdog said:
End of story.
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So you resort to taking people's posts out of context to make a point. And you insulted another poster for no reason. Your attempt to be on the moral high horse is really fading on this one.
 
theplaydrive said:
So you resort to taking people's posts out of context to make a point.
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Yes, and it did a good job of making my point.

Your initial post had nothing to do with my reply to him, nothing at all. All your posts since then have been your moral outrage because I called you a hack. As if that is some kind of moral issue, oh lord. Or equal in some way to his dancing on their graves, HUGE difference.

theplaydrive said:
And you insulted another poster for no reason. Your attempt to be on the moral high horse is really fading on this one.
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I am not trying to be on anything. You as usual are making assumptions and going WAY over the top.
 
Blackdog said:
I am not trying to be on anything.
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Okay. Misterman made a post. You pointed out he made his post in a thread about someone's death. Why did you point that out?
 
theplaydrive said:
Okay. Misterman made a post. You pointed out he made his post in a thread about someone's death. Why did you point that out?
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It was the way he did it. He could have said something like...

I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.

The whole "and the one being unarmed is even better." set the whole tone. Made it sound like he was happy so he would be able to then mock conservatives and our own batch of loony over the top posters. I thought it was sad to be honest. I can't stand it when people use someones death on either side for an excuse to mock the "other side." Honest debate and examples (like you said) are one thing, political hackery is another. At least it is for me.

It had nothing to do with morals on my part. I thought you were then defending him because you replied directly to me. Which is why I thought you were engaging in political hackery as well. Would not be the first time someone with the same political lean did this. So I assumed (possibly in error) you were doing just that.
 
Caine said:
I don't think anyone needs 20 minutes of instruction to complete that shot....
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It's not the skill to hit a target (your other posts suggest you know that), but the mental make up to do so. Like I said earlier, I know a lot of these professor types. Not sure I'd count on them for this.
 
apdst said:
The cop was given a false sense of security, because he thought he was in a, "gun free", zone.
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You have no idea what the cop was thinking. Cops are trained to be wary of everyone. Stop making up stuff.
 
TurtleDude said:
actually I do know. the professor was holding the door as the killer tried to force his way in

an easy shot-something I could teach just about anyone on this board to make in less than 20 minutes of instruction.
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No, you don't know. You weren't there; you didn't do a detailed study including interviews of witnesses and ballistics. You're making up crap to justify your opinion just like others on this thread.
 
TurtleDude said:
well we do know something: an active shooter in an environment full of unarmed victims will almost always result in MORE deaths than an active shooter in an environment full of armed potential victims.
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That's true.

But that's not the situation we had here.

I am not anti-gun. I agree that "gun-free zones" are pretty counterproductive and impossible to enforce. But I'm sick of the pat answers we hear whenever there's a shooting, "If only he had a gun." It's not that simple, and this was proof.
 
misterman said:
You have no idea what the cop was thinking. Cops are trained to be wary of everyone. Stop making up stuff.
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I have to agree with Mrman on this one. It would be silly to assume what the officer was thinking.
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't know. That campus cops at my school were.
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Umass cops are not, neither are northeastern, or BU or BC, harvard cops are though.
Many are not, be interesting to know though!!
 
theplaydrive said:
I'd rather not, but the fact that you can't accept that a gun can make a situation worse tells me that your take on guns is more fanatical than logical.
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Most often the situation would get a whole lot worse for the bad guy if the victim or potential victim had a gun.

More liberal hyperbole...
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060015127 said:
The situation would get a whole lot worse for the bad guy if the victim had a gun.
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The victim did have a gun and the bad guy was just fine.
 
misterman said:
No, you don't know. You weren't there; you didn't do a detailed study including interviews of witnesses and ballistics. You're making up crap to justify your opinion just like others on this thread.
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YOu have no clue what I know about this shooting. and I did read detailed studies on the situation and I have been part of high level classes teaching police how to deal with active shooter scenarios. So you are the one making up crap.
 
I'm a litle confused - is this the same incident that was reported a few days ago or is this a different, new one?
 
"Virginia State Police on Friday identified Ross Truett Ashley, 22, as the man who killed Virginia Tech Police Officer Deriek Crouse and then himself about 30 minutes later.

A part-time student at Radford University, 15 miles southwest of Blacksburg, Ashley had no connection to or contact with Crouse before Thursday's shooting, according to a news release from state police." Armed suspect stole car before killing Virginia Tech officer - CNN

"Authorities refused to say whether Crouse was able to defend himself or fire back at his assailant.

Crouse was an Army veteran and married father of five children and stepchildren who joined the campus police force about six months after the 2007 massacre. He previously worked at a jail and for the Montgomery County sheriff's department."

Police: Va. Tech Officer, Suspect Shot by Same Gun - ABC News
 
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