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majora$$hole said:
so it wasn't followed by her daughter just like a lot of other daughter's out there so.... abstinance only dosen't work.
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Only because these families refuse to do what they should.....

1. She and her boyfriend should never have been allowed to be in her bedroom alone.
2. The moment she found out she was pregnant she should have been disowned until (at the very least) she and the boyfriend were married.

The problem with absitnance only is that it doesn't work if there are not consequences. I can guarantee you that the moment my parents found out I had gotten some girl pregnant without being married to her first, I would no longer have had a family or a home to go back to. Both of my brothers and I knew that. As did most of my cousins. The only person in my immediate family (first cousin) who hasn't done this in the right order is the one who was "daddy's little girl" and knew there wouldn't actually be any consequences to her actions. My second cousin who did it was forced to marry the baby's father.
 
sangha said:
Rightwing hypocrisy defined:

Business should be free to run their business as they want, unless they want to sell Plan B
Govt shouldn't tell businesse owners how to run their buisiness, unless they want to sell Plan B
Govt should keep out of our lives, unless we want to take Plan B
People should accept the consequences of their actions, unless their actions include taking Plan B. Then, the govt should limit our freedom
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What you miss is a very simple issue. Don't be too hard on yourself, because most Americans these days miss it. That is the fact that Moral issues are above and beyond normal personal responsibility and business concerns. These things affect the entirety of society. In the past they were dealt with by the individuals and families in society, but those groups have since chosen to stop enforcing any form of morality, so it is left to the Government to deal with.

Conservatism isn't about having NO Government or having an Impotent Government. Conservatism is about focusing Government's immense power on the right things.
 
lovetosing4678 said:
Obama: Morning-after pill decision 'common sense'


What do you think? Should this pill be allowed to be sold next to the condoms? They are about $50, according to the article, so people most likely wouldn't be buying them as they do condoms. Also, think of how often the pharmacy is often open. I know that sometimes when I have a cold by the time I can get to the store the pharmacy is closed. The sooner you take this pill the more effective it is. So what do you think?
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You know, I can't buy allergy medicine without going up to see the pharmacist, so why should abortion in pill form be any different?
 
kerussll said:
Sure, let's start prosecuting the immoral people who want to withhold birth control from those who need it. We can also get you to pick up the tab for the unwanted kids. Great idea!
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Nobody NEEDS contraceptives, kerussll. There is a desire for them but nobody NEEDS them. As for the unwanted kids; no. They are the responsibility of the individuals who chose to engage in that activity prior to being prepared to be parents. DON'T DO THE CRIME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.
 
Tigger said:
Nobody NEEDS contraceptives, kerussll. There is a desire for them but nobody NEEDS them. As for the unwanted kids; no. They are the responsibility of the individuals who chose to engage in that activity prior to being prepared to be parents. DON'T DO THE CRIME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.
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Fortunately, modern society no longer holds the astoundingly outdated idea that sex is a crime. Or that people's relationships with each other need to be beholden to the creation of children. The future is marching on, and it's a bright future. Reproduction is becoming entirely voluntary. And that is a moral good. People having more control over their lives in an ever increasingly complex world is a moral good.
 
Paschendale said:
Fortunately, modern society no longer holds the astoundingly outdated idea that sex is a crime. Or that people's relationships with each other need to be beholden to the creation of children. The future is marching on, and it's a bright future. Reproduction is becoming entirely voluntary. And that is a moral good. People having more control over their lives in an ever increasingly complex world is a moral good.
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Sex is not a crime (at least in most cases). However it IS an act which can have very significant consequences, even if one goes through every possible precaution to avoid them. Just because one used the precautions does not mean that their failure should lead to a "get out of jail free" card being offered to them.

People having the right to act in an immoral manner is NEVER a good thing.
 
Tigger said:
Sex is not a crime (at least in most cases). However it IS an act which can have very significant consequences, even if one goes through every possible precaution to avoid them. Just because one used the precautions does not mean that their failure should lead to a "get out of jail free" card being offered to them.

People having the right to act in an immoral manner is NEVER a good thing.
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Morality is subjective. Your morality is not their morality....thankfully.
 
Tigger said:
Only because these families refuse to do what they should.....

1. She and her boyfriend should never have been allowed to be in her bedroom alone.
2. The moment she found out she was pregnant she should have been disowned until (at the very least) she and the boyfriend were married.

The problem with absitnance only is that it doesn't work if there are not consequences. I can guarantee you that the moment my parents found out I had gotten some girl pregnant without being married to her first, I would no longer have had a family or a home to go back to. Both of my brothers and I knew that. As did most of my cousins. The only person in my immediate family (first cousin) who hasn't done this in the right order is the one who was "daddy's little girl" and knew there wouldn't actually be any consequences to her actions. My second cousin who did it was forced to marry the baby's father.
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now, THERE is an enlightened response
force kids into a marriage not of their own choosing
problem solved
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If this decision were targeted against males and not females, the reaction would have been radically different. The Right's motivation is to limit women's reproductive freedom however they can. Boys, however, will be boys.
 
Tigger said:
Nobody NEEDS contraceptives, kerussll. There is a desire for them but nobody NEEDS them. As for the unwanted kids; no. They are the responsibility of the individuals who chose to engage in that activity prior to being prepared to be parents. DON'T DO THE CRIME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.
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People need contraceptives a lot more than pretentious douchebags need to control the every behavior of others that will not affect them in any way. :roll:
 
justabubba said:
now, THERE is an enlightened response. force kids into a marriage not of their own choosing. problem solved
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If they're old enough to be engaging in that act, they must be old enough to be parents, for him to support them, and for them to be out on their own, right?


Phys251 said:
If this decision were targeted against males and not females, the reaction would have been radically different. The Right's motivation is to limit women's reproductive freedom however they can. Boys, however, will be boys.
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At least on a personal level, I completely disagree. As I've said, I'm all for punishing the boys as much as the girls. Forcing him to marry her and support both her and the child until that child is 18 (at the minimum) should make the boy think about the act just as much as the girl.


kerussll said:
People need contraceptives a lot more than pretentious douchebags need to control the every behavior of others that will not affect them in any way. :roll:
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You're right it doesn't really affect me. Mostly because I'm smart enough not to let the type of people who would be that stupid into my life. I'm simply trying to help other people make the right decision before they totally FUBAR their own lives. They can feel free to ignore the advice. They might get away with it on this side of eternity, but I'm not so sure about the other side.
 
Yea i have noticed this.......
 
Tigger said:
You're right it doesn't really affect me. Mostly because I'm smart enough not to let the type of people who would be that stupid into my life. I'm simply trying to help other people make the right decision before they totally FUBAR their own lives. They can feel free to ignore the advice. They might get away with it on this side of eternity, but I'm not so sure about the other side.
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They can ignore your advice? Really? I thought you wanted plan B to be made illegal. Pretty hard to ignore that.
 
kerussll said:
They can ignore your advice? Really? I thought you wanted plan B to be made illegal. Pretty hard to ignore that.
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I WANT it to be illegal. I also know that the medical community doesn't ask my opinion on these things, so my opinion holds no weight with them at all.
 
tessaesque said:
Morality is subjective. Your morality is not their morality....thankfully.
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While that statement is true its rare anyone interested in politics can use it as an attack on another. How many liberals want to push programs on others for moral reasons even a tax system that really allows the government use its authority of force beyond the punishing violations of rights of another. Sorry, but I understand this is a big argument of pro-choice people in this debate but I have yet to meet one that can actually use it.
 
Tigger said:
At least on a personal level, I completely disagree. As I've said, I'm all for punishing the boys as much as the girls. Forcing him to marry her and support both her and the child until that child is 18 (at the minimum) should make the boy think about the act just as much as the girl.
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As usual, I strongly disagree with your comments yet appreciate your honesty. You're right, the conservative position here, as usual, is all about punishment.

Tigger said:
I WANT it to be illegal. I also know that the medical community doesn't ask my opinion on these things, so my opinion holds no weight with them at all.
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Thank god.
 
Phys251 said:
As usual, I strongly disagree with your comments yet appreciate your honesty. You're right, the conservative position here, as usual, is all about punishment.
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Punishment is really about all we can generally work with. We cannot force people not to make bad decisions. All we can do is to make the consequences of those bad decisions as unpleasant as humanly possible. That will stop some and at least make the rest dislike the results a lot more.


Phys251 said:
Thank god.
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Don't thank them quite yet. I think you might be surprised at their opinions on the matter when you get to the other side of Eternity.
 
Tigger said:
Don't thank them quite yet. I think you might be surprised at their opinions on the matter when you get to the other side of Eternity.
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Yes because you've had contact with them I'm assuming.
 
Tigger said:
I WANT it to be illegal. I also know that the medical community doesn't ask my opinion on these things, so my opinion holds no weight with them at all.
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thank god!
 
Tigger said:
What you miss is a very simple issue. Don't be too hard on yourself, because most Americans these days miss it. That is the fact that Moral issues are above and beyond normal personal responsibility and business concerns. These things affect the entirety of society. In the past they were dealt with by the individuals and families in society, but those groups have since chosen to stop enforcing any form of morality, so it is left to the Government to deal with.

Conservatism isn't about having NO Government or having an Impotent Government. Conservatism is about focusing Government's immense power on the right things.
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How ironic is it when a poster who thinks govt should enforce morality whines the loudest when it enforces a morality he disagrees with? :lamo
 
Tigger said:
Nobody NEEDS contraceptives, kerussll. There is a desire for them but nobody NEEDS them. As for the unwanted kids; no. They are the responsibility of the individuals who chose to engage in that activity prior to being prepared to be parents. DON'T DO THE CRIME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.
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And you don't NEED a wife.

How ironic is it when a poster who thinks the govt should do things it doesn't need to do whines the loudest when it does something it doesn't need to do? :lamo
 
Tigger said:
Sex is not a crime (at least in most cases). However it IS an act which can have very significant consequences, even if one goes through every possible precaution to avoid them. Just because one used the precautions does not mean that their failure should lead to a "get out of jail free" card being offered to them.

People having the right to act in an immoral manner is NEVER a good thing.
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How ironic is it when a poster who thinks the govt should do what is right and not what people want it to do whines when the govt doesn't do what he wants it to do?
 
Tigger said:
If they're old enough to be engaging in that act, they must be old enough to be parents, for him to support them, and for them to be out on their own, right?
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If they're old enough to have sex, they're old enough to take Plan B.
 
Tigger said:
I WANT it to be illegal. I also know that the medical community doesn't ask my opinion on these things, so my opinion holds no weight with them at all.
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Don't be so modest. I don't think anyone gives any weight to your opinions.
 
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