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Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

1. A horrible life is always better than death.

Some would disagree with that.

2. There is a new life in play. If you want to play the value game, be my quest, but playing it like the woman is the only one in play is false. It isn't and has never been as simple as it is her body so she gets to do what she wants.

A guy is in play too, but his role will never be the same as a woman's. No guy can even begin to fathom what a woman goes through both emotionally and physically when she is pregnant.
 
at $50 a pop, it's irrelevant whether or not they will be "behind the counter", They will be anyway.
 
Some would disagree with that.

Find me a poll that says people would choose death. Every poll I have ever seen has shown almost no one picks death.

A guy is in play too, but his role will never be the same as a woman's. No guy can even begin to fathom what a woman goes through both emotionally and physically when she is pregnant.

The emotional argument means nothing, sorry. It has no part in the debate of what the abortion is doing and what it is about. It is merely like I have said many times a side topic. Though the side topic has its points and merits, it really is not worth talking about.
 
I see what you are saying, but calling it pro-abortion is dishonest. It makes it sound like you advocate it. I advocate choice. That's it.
When you advocate choice, you advocate abortion as an option.
No pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion, not abortion in and of itself necessarily, for me that is the case.
Who is for the legality of abortion and abortion rights, then? If both pro-life and pro-choice people are not for the legality of abortion, then why do there exist so many pro-choicers who are for abortion and abortion rights? You may be an exception to the mass of people I take issue with.
 
Find me a poll that says people would choose death. Every poll I have ever seen has shown almost no one picks death.

I'm not going off of polls. I said that some would disagree with that, which is true. I didn't say a majority or imply any amount. I said "some."

The emotional argument means nothing, sorry. It has no part in the debate of what the abortion is doing and what it is about. It is merely like I have said many times a side topic. Though the side topic has its points and merits, it really is not worth talking about.

Oh, and the anti-abortion debate isn't emotional? :lol:
 
Who is for the legality of abortion and abortion rights, then? If both pro-life and pro-choice people are not for the legality of abortion, then why do there exist so many pro-choicers who are for abortion and abortion rights? You may be an exception to the mass of people I take issue with.

I said pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion, that they do not necessarily think abortion is an appropriate thing to do, just that the government shouldn't outlaw it. You know, the whole government not overreaching into peoples lives thing.
 
I said pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion, that they do not necessarily think abortion is an appropriate thing to do, just that the government shouldn't outlaw it. You know, the whole government not overreaching into peoples lives thing.


Why do you think it's not appropriate if you don't mind me askin.
 
I said pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion, that they do not necessarily think abortion is an appropriate thing to do, just that the government shouldn't outlaw it. You know, the whole government not overreaching into peoples lives thing.
You had said "no pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion." Those were your exact words; if I misunderstood you then so be it. Whether they agree with it they fight for and support its existence. I have never seen a pro-choicer argue against abortion which, logically, leads me to think that all pro-choicers fight for/defend/support the use of abortion. The government overreaches into the lives of all people, and overreachs whether using ideologies from the left/right/whatever.
 
I don't understand why there can't be a single debate on this topic without going to this! First, this is not a debate about abortion. Plan B will not cause an abortion by its definition.

For those who don't know and don't care to look this is WebMD's description of how Plan B works.

Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It may prevent a sperm from fertilizing the egg.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work and pregnancy proceeds normally.

Therefore if you are pregnant it will not have ANY effect! If a fertilized egg is not implanted it is not a life.
 
Why do you think it's not appropriate if you don't mind me askin.

I think it's better to just wait out the 9 months and adopt if you don't want to raise it yourself then to kill a would be life. I wouldn't recommend an abortion to anyone, but I don't think the government should tell people not to.
 
You had said "no pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion." Those were your exact words; if I misunderstood you then so be it. Whether they agree with it they fight for and support its existence. I have never seen a pro-choicer argue against abortion which, logically, leads me to think that all pro-choicers fight for/defend/support the use of abortion. The government overreaches into the lives of all people, and overreachs whether using ideologies from the left/right/whatever.

It should have been, "No, pro-choice people are for the legality of abortion" missed a comma.

And well because that argument happen all too often, it's mostly about the legality of abortion.
 
I think it's better to just wait out the 9 months and adopt if you don't want to raise it yourself then to kill a would be life. I wouldn't recommend an abortion to anyone, but I don't think the government should tell people not to.


I can respect that you acknowledge its a life, which is why I advocate changing society. as a life, I believe it needs protecting, as life is the ultimate "right",
 
I can respect that you acknowledge its a life, which is why I advocate changing society. as a life, I believe it needs protecting, as life is the ultimate "right",

My thought comes from what is better for society as a whole, I think it's bad for abortion to be illegal because I think that hurts society more then having it legal. For a whole list of reason, what pro-life people need to realize is, that if you want to stop abortion, your not going to do it by changing the law.
 
My thought comes from what is better for society as a whole, I think it's bad for abortion to be illegal because I think that hurts society more then having it legal. For a whole list of reason, what pro-life people need to realize is, that if you want to stop abortion, your not going to do it by changing the law.



I 100% agree with this, I am ant-abortion, not "pro-life", as there are plenty on this planet who should be made more dead better. ;)
 
I'm not going off of polls. I said that some would disagree with that, which is true. I didn't say a majority or imply any amount. I said "some."

Doesn't matter, it is less than one percent. My point is that the idea a horrible life is worse than what abortion causes is not supported by the numbers.

Oh, and the anti-abortion debate isn't emotional? :lol:

My argument is not emotional. Whatever other people use in their debates is their problem.
 
Therefore if you are pregnant it will not have ANY effect! If a fertilized egg is not implanted it is not a life.

If it is fertilized it is life. What is your reason for saying it's not?
 
Can you explain why you think the timing of the act makes a difference or is it just one of those things you can't explain?

It has to do with my Spiritual beliefs as much as anything else. I feel that at the moment you choose to engage in the act, and take whatever contraceptive measures you feel are necessary you then put things in Fate's hands. To then say... "Well, I want a second chance at overturning Fate's choice is very bad form, if you will. You rolled the dice and now it seems like you want a second shot at it just in case it didn't turn out like you want it to.

You and many other pro-life people feel that pro-choice people are, in fact, pro-abortion. Whatever your perception of my philosophy is, you are wrong. I am pro-choice, and yet I have a 4 month old child with my wife. Imagine that...

Okay. Now if you and your wife knew that your child had a significant, obvious birth defect that would likely mean they would not be able to have a normal life; would you have continued with the pregnancy? That was what my parents were faced with.... a child who should NOT have been able to graduate high school, live on his own, work, etc.... They had it suggested to them at least twice that it might not be the worst thing if she "lost" the child.
 
Therefore if you are pregnant it will not have ANY effect! If a fertilized egg is not implanted it is not a life.

See, that is where we will disagree. I (and many others) are of the belief that the moment the egg is fertilized that it IS a life.
 
Doesn't matter, it is less than one percent. My point is that the idea a horrible life is worse than what abortion causes is not supported by the numbers.

Where are these numbers? Which poll are you referencing?

My argument is not emotional. Whatever other people use in their debates is their problem.

Abortion in and of itself is an emotional argument.
 
Okay. Now if you and your wife knew that your child had a significant, obvious birth defect that would likely mean they would not be able to have a normal life; would you have continued with the pregnancy? That was what my parents were faced with.... a child who should NOT have been able to graduate high school, live on his own, work, etc.... They had it suggested to them at least twice that it might not be the worst thing if she "lost" the child.

Yes, we would have. We wanted kids for a long time. She didn't think she could have kids, but we did. That has absolutely nothing to do with my pro-choice views. I think you have a lot of misconceptions about people who are pro-choice. Granted, some people would terminate a pregnancy if they knew that their child would have a birth defect. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not that way.
 
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If it is fertilized it is life. What is your reason for saying it's not?

Perhaps because the vast majority of fertilized eggs never implant, and thus never become fetuses or live babies. Without implantation you cannot have ongoing development and life.
 
Perhaps because the vast majority of fertilized eggs never implant, and thus never become fetuses or live babies. Without implantation you cannot have ongoing development and life.

Exactly. And better written then how I would have said it. Mirena (an IUD) works in part by " by thickening a woman's cervical mucus. The mucus blocks sperm and keeps it from joining with an egg."

Pretty much from a little research you see that Plan B works the same way as many birth control pills work. Are you also against birth control pills?
 
I think it was the right decision to make. You don't want such a drug to be used haphazardly. It's bad enough that teenagers are having sex younger and younger these days. You give them the freedom to go to the drug store (or any convenient store for that matter) and pick up a pack of Plan B pills as easily as one can take Tylenol off the shelf and you're just asking for trouble.
 
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I think it was the right decision to make. You don't want such a drug to be used haphazardly. It's bad enough that teenagers are having sex younger and younger these days. You give them the freedom to go to the drug store (or any convenient store for that matter) and pick up a pack of Plan B pills as easily as one can take Tylenol off the shelf and you're just asking for trouble.

Its a $50 pill. I don't think its quite like buying Tylenol.
 
Exactly. And better written then how I would have said it. Mirena (an IUD) works in part by " by thickening a woman's cervical mucus. The mucus blocks sperm and keeps it from joining with an egg."

Pretty much from a little research you see that Plan B works the same way as many birth control pills work. Are you also against birth control pills?

Are you asking me or posters in general? I take birth control, used Plan B, and am pro-choice....
 
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