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Cost of High School Dropouts Draining US Taxpayer

Harry Guerrilla said:
It's not just that, at least for me.
I want to finish school, but every time I attend, it's the same old crap.

I don't feel like I'm learning anything, it seriously deprives me of sleep and I wonder why I'm putting myself through this.
Plus all the nonsensical busy work, I don't always have time for.

They don't make education dynamic enough, to attract enough people.
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I get it. I'm going back to college for a nursing degree, and I've had to waste two semesters on core classes that wouldn't transfer from my other college. It was painfully boring. Just pull through it, and hopefully it'll pay off. I tell you what else really sucks. Asshole "Professors" with a power trip are even worse.
 
evanescence said:
I get it. I'm going back to college for a nursing degree, and I've had to waste two semesters on core classes that wouldn't transfer from my other college. It was painfully boring. Just pull through it, and hopefully it'll pay off. I tell you what else really sucks. Asshole "Professors" with a power trip are even worse.
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Good for you and hopefully someone can explain the wisdom of you having to repeat these two years.
 
evanescence said:
Don't need them to. I made a mistake the first time around by choosing the college and degree I chose. End of story.
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It shouldn't matter. The classes should transfer if the idea is to make college more affordable, not just about how we can make others pay for it.
 
And yet over a dropout's entire working life, he or she receives $71,000 more on average in cash and in-kind benefits than paid in taxes. The societal costs may include imprisonment, government-paid medical insurance and food stamps.

In contrast, high school graduates pay $236,000 more in taxes than they receive in benefits, and college degree holders pay $885,000 more in taxes than they receive.
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So, is it time to reexamine the current model of a one size fits all system being run by the state, or, worse, by the federal government, and tied to the goal of getting all of the students to pass the big test?

Could it be possible that students are not all the same?

Is it possible that reforms that have an initial cost could pay for themselves with big dividends?

Ask any sixth grade teacher which of his/her students will drop out, then follow those students through high school, and I'd be willing to bet the predictions would be at least 90% accurate. Students don't start dropping out in high school. It starts much sooner than that.
 
evanescence said:
My first college was a non accredited, Christian college. :3oops:
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Your experience aside it's a problem. We recently went through this sending the kid to the local community college and making sure what will transfer to the other colleges he was considering afterwards.
 
1Perry said:
Your experience aside it's a problem. We recently went through this sending the kid to the local community college and making sure what will transfer to the other colleges he was considering afterwards.
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Going to a community college is cheaper, and usually the credits will transfer. Also, many of the instructors have doctorates instead of being GAs. That is also an advantage.
 
Exactly whose fault is it that they didn't graduate? Mine? Yours? No, it is their own fault. They can always go back and get a GED, or maybe even join the military, if the military still accepts dropouts. No sympathy here.
 
coolwalker said:
Exactly whose fault is it that they didn't graduate? Mine? Yours? No, it is their own fault. They can always go back and get a GED, or maybe even join the military, if the military still accepts dropouts. No sympathy here.
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Right now they aren't accepting drop outs. They won't even accept a GED without some college.
 
1Perry said:
Right now they aren't accepting drop outs. They won't even accept a GED without some college.
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Then what did we use to say in school? Tough noogies? You reap what you sew.
 
coolwalker said:
Then what did we use to say in school? Tough noogies? You reap what you sew.
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There are repercussions to ones actions. I was just noting the current situation.
 
When I was growing up alot of kids dropped out of school because they had to go to work and help out...I was one of those kids.
They are not all bums and convicts.
 
These are all averages, we should judge people on a case by case basis. The root of the problem is laziness. I know some dropouts who went on to learn a trade and became very successful (one had to drop out so that he could work full time and support the child he had with his girlfriend in high school).

I know some students at my university that enroll in easy majors like art. They take out thousands of dollars in student loans and live like hippies (the don't come to class and make failing grades). They graduate and then go out of school with tons of debt and no job (due to their fields being saturated). They cost the American taxpayer as well. A lazy mentality and a lazy lifestyle is wrong, it costs the taxpayers money, but each person should be judged on a case by case basis instead of applying a mentality to an entire group of people.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Just to summarize, some drop outs are already mature enough to start life.
Amirite. ;)[/QUOTE

Yes, but necessity makes you prepared for life...I went on to get an associates degree plus...never fully graduated...I had a full time career 4 kids another one coming...and it didnt benefit me at that point..I needed to moonlight more than i need a bs...
Admittedly it was a different time then...this was before the unmitigated greed of corporations and ceos that have taken mostly all the good paying working class jobs and shipped them elsewhere to suck another buck out of america...I could leave my house at 7am and have a choice of jobs by 10am....that was the real america by the way...not this america where only 1% of the country wants to assure they are the only ones that eat...
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1Perry said:
There are repercussions to ones actions. I was just noting the current situation.
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Repercussions for what? For saying tough noogies to all those who dropped out? They are looking at the repercussions...not me.
 
coolwalker said:
Exactly whose fault is it that they didn't graduate? Mine? Yours? No, it is their own fault. They can always go back and get a GED, or maybe even join the military, if the military still accepts dropouts. No sympathy here.
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It may be their fault, but we all pay the tab in one way or another.
 
coolwalker said:
Repercussions for what? For saying tough noogies to all those who dropped out? They are looking at the repercussions...not me.
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Indeed, I agreed that there are repercussions for ones actions which would include dropping out.
 
1Perry said:
Indeed, I agreed that there are repercussions for ones actions which would include dropping out.
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Theres repercussions from having diareah too
 
digsbe said:
These are all averages, we should judge people on a case by case basis. The root of the problem is laziness. I know some dropouts who went on to learn a trade and became very successful (one had to drop out so that he could work full time and support the child he had with his girlfriend in high school).

I know some students at my university that enroll in easy majors like art. They take out thousands of dollars in student loans and live like hippies (the don't come to class and make failing grades). They graduate and then go out of school with tons of debt and no job (due to their fields being saturated). They cost the American taxpayer as well. A lazy mentality and a lazy lifestyle is wrong, it costs the taxpayers money, but each person should be judged on a case by case basis instead of applying a mentality to an entire group of people.
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While there are likely many people who meet this pathetic example, most do not.
 
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