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Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

If you are in foreign country and are of the limp-wrist persuasion, you might think twice before flaunting yourself like a peacock. Likewise if you are a girl who dresses like a lumberjack, you might try a dress when somewhere like Poland or the like. What America in all its Political Correctness fails to notice is that the rest of the world is not as lenient as we are. Personally I think homosexuals should seek professional help.

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If you are in foreign country and are of the limp-wrist persuasion, you might think twice before flaunting yourself like a peacock. Likewise if you are a girl who dresses like a lumberjack, you might try a dress when somewhere like Poland or the like. What America in all its Political Correctness fails to notice is that the rest of the world is not as lenient as we are. Personally I think homosexuals should seek professional help.

um...what?
 
I wonder what Obama is going to do about the religious persecution many face in other countries...
 
I wonder what Obama is going to do about the religious persecution many face in other countries...

Tell them to follow Islam so we don't anger the great unwashed.
 
Truly, there's not much a President or his Administration can do besides talk about it.

I agree, but I think he may be a tad hypocritical when he wants to elevate the issue of gay rights (which is a valid issue) while ignoring the intense religious persecution many people face globally.
 
I agree, but I think he may be a tad hypocritical when he wants to elevate the issue of gay rights (which is a valid issue) while ignoring the intense religious persecution many people face globally.

Actually he has raised such issues, even if it's just lip service, Hillary has been roundly outspoken about human rights abuses in China.
 
Actually he has raised such issues, even if it's just lip service, Hillary has been roundly outspoken about human rights abuses in China.

Well then I was in the wrong. Thank you for sharing this.

LGBT persecution globally is wrong and I think it's good that we speak out against it. However, as a nation there isn't much we can do about it without getting involved militarily in nations that abuse human rights.
 
Actually he has raised such issues, even if it's just lip service, Hillary has been roundly outspoken about human rights abuses in China.

We have no right to tell any other country how they should act. We need to take care of and handle our own affairs and get them right. Being the Policeman of the world is breaking our bank and making us look foolish. People all over the world laugh at us because we are a nation of fat fools (and I mean fat) who think we can buy our way out of everything. We live in a giant glass house and we ought to put down the stones now.
 
Yes, because we stone and criminlize LBGT people all the ****ing time.

Un-****ing-believable.

Can't really get massively bothered about this. Would I rather we butt out of the business of other countries by and large? Sure. But that's unrealistic at this point and if we're going to be doing this kind of stuff I think attempting to suggest people should ****ing kill people for being gay is a pretty reasonable thing to promot.
It's good thing I didn't say that we did stone LGBT people. However, LGBT people are still treated like second class citizens in our country. They can't get married and in many places and they can't adopt children. Until recently, they couldn't serve openly in the military.

So yeah, it's un****ing-believable that you think "not stoning" gay people is good enough. It's not and in my opinion, the way that we treat LGBT citizens is not enough to give us permission to act like we should be the champions of gays rights throughout the world.
 
It's good thing I didn't say that we did stone LGBT people. However, LGBT people are still treated like second class citizens in our country. They can't get married and in many places and they can't adopt children. Until recently, they couldn't serve openly in the military.

So yeah, it's un****ing-believable that you think "not stoning" gay people is good enough. It's not and in my opinion, the way that we treat LGBT citizens is not enough to give us permission to act like we should be the champions of gays rights throughout the world.

They shouldn't get married, they shouldn't adopt children but let them serve. They can be on the front line.
 
how bout elevating gay rights in our own country first...yanno, kinda like getting our own house in order before we start trying to demonstrate our moral superiority to everyone else.

Hey hey hey! Since when have we fixed our problems before we started ****ing with others?
 
They shouldn't get married, they shouldn't adopt children but let them serve. They can be on the front line.

They should be allowed to do all of those things.
 
how bout elevating gay rights in our own country first...yanno, kinda like getting our own house in order before we start trying to demonstrate our moral superiority to everyone else.
Patience...wait for it. As the election approaches, if there is still significant discontent amongst the base he will address it for political gain, as he has been doing with all the special interest categories. Probably before amnesty and voting rights for illegal immigrants. Again...depends on just how much he has to gain by doing it.
 
It's about time he started doing something that I believe most of the US can agree on. Good job.
 
Why not?

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Marriage
First off it is repulsive. Secondly it goes against nature. Third they can't procreate to continue the species.

Adopting
Adopting a child would serve to make that child grow up on the defensive and grow up confused. Children love those who take care of them and they attempt to emulate those adults. This is nothing to emulate, it is to be scorned. Everyone it seems wants to be nice, they have feelings...well it is beyond difficult to explain to a 9 year old why two men are French kissing or even begin to validate their actions.

Serving in Military
Causes untold issues and problems. Lack of trust for one. Fear of becoming remotely friendly as people might ponder the association.

Let them run furniture stores and fashion outlets and design doilies.
 
Marriage
First off it is repulsive. Secondly it goes against nature. Third they can't procreate to continue the species.

So? Why can't they get married? Marriage has nothing to do with any of that. Repulsive is a value judgement and can't be held to each other. Goes against nature is a perception judgement and essentially ignores all the gay sex going on in the Animal Kingdom. Can't procreate doesn't matter, we're at replacement as it stands and there's more orphans than people willing to adopt.

Adopting
Adopting a child would serve to make that child grow up on the defensive and grow up confused. Children love those who take care of them and they attempt to emulate those adults. This is nothing to emulate, it is to be scorned. Everyone it seems wants to be nice, they have feelings...well it is beyond difficult to explain to a 9 year old why two men are French kissing or even begin to validate their actions.

Why is it hard? This is nothing more than your opinion. And while you are free to hold it, it certainly doesn't make for a proper basis of law.

Serving in Military
Causes untold issues and problems. Lack of trust for one. Fear of becoming remotely friendly as people might ponder the association.

Says you. Any proof, or is this more assumption and suppostition on your part. In the end you're seeking the use of government force to uphold your assumption and supposition, which IMO is well worse than being gay.
 
Quite possibly one of the stupidest posts in the history of this forum.:

Marriage
First off it is repulsive. Secondly it goes against nature. Third they can't procreate to continue the species.

Repulsive is opinion and worthless. Marriage is not natural. Procreation is not a requirement for marriage, and gays can and do procreate.

Adopting
Adopting a child would serve to make that child grow up on the defensive and grow up confused. Children love those who take care of them and they attempt to emulate those adults. This is nothing to emulate, it is to be scorned. Everyone it seems wants to be nice, they have feelings...well it is beyond difficult to explain to a 9 year old why two men are French kissing or even begin to validate their actions.

The current research shows that children growing up raised by two gays have the same level of success that children raised by two strait people. You do not know what you are talking about. What you find hard, many/most people would find easy.

Serving in Military
Causes untold issues and problems. Lack of trust for one. Fear of becoming remotely friendly as people might ponder the association.

Let them run furniture stores and fashion outlets and design doilies.

You have never met a gay person have you? A large portion of gay men are more "manly" than you could ever hope to achieve. Gays have been serving in the military for many many years, the problems you claim have not shown up.
 
It's good thing I didn't say that we did stone LGBT people.

Those specific words didn't come out of your mouth, but you still definitely said it.

You stated:

Well, our government usually tells other nations to live by standards that it exempts itself from, so I don't see why this should be any different.

From the article, what standard is "our government" telling other nations to "live by"?

He said he has been "deeply concerned" by violence and discrimination targeting LGBT persons. He cited foreign laws criminalizing LGBT status, the beating of LGBT citizens for joining peaceful celebrations, and the killing of men, women and children for their perceived sexual orientation.

Why look at that, it seems the "standard" our government is telling other nations to "live by" is one where they don't condone violence and discrimination targetting LGBT people, crimilizing their status as such, or beating and killing them for their sexual orientaiton.

Yes, how dare we exempt ourselves from that standard. :roll:

You think we need to do more in this country in regards to LGBT rights? Cool, more power to you. No problem there. But to suggest that what he's stating abroad...that we should suggest to countries that its not okay criminalize being gay, to beat people for being gay, to kill people for being gay because we "exempt ourselves" from that standard is ****ing retarded
 
So? Why can't they get married? Marriage has nothing to do with any of that. Repulsive is a value judgement and can't be held to each other. Goes against nature is a perception judgement and essentially ignores all the gay sex going on in the Animal Kingdom. Can't procreate doesn't matter, we're at replacement as it stands and there's more orphans than people willing to adopt.
Why is it hard? This is nothing more than your opinion. And while you are free to hold it, it certainly doesn't make for a proper basis of law.
Says you. Any proof, or is this more assumption and suppostition on your part. In the end you're seeking the use of government force to uphold your assumption and supposition, which IMO is well worse than being gay.

I am seeking nothing from no one, especially not from a politically correct BS administration. I am simply stating what I feel. If you notice the Thread is about Obama seeking something, not me.
 
Marriage
First off it is repulsive. Secondly it goes against nature. Third they can't procreate to continue the species.

1. Opinion that varies by person
2. No, it doesn't. Marriage in and of itself isn't found in "nature" but is a creation of society. If you mean homosexuality goes against nature, again, no it doesn't its something distinctly found in nature
3. Yes, they absolutely can procreate. They can not concieve child together, however they are able to procreate. And procreation isn't required for marriage to begin with.

Adopting
Adopting a child would serve to make that child grow up on the defensive and grow up confused. Children love those who take care of them and they attempt to emulate those adults. This is nothing to emulate, it is to be scorned. Everyone it seems wants to be nice, they have feelings...well it is beyond difficult to explain to a 9 year old why two men are French kissing or even begin to validate their actions.

Multiple studies suggest quite the opposite with regards to the cihld growing up. Additionally, the child growing up "on the defensive and confused" is useless in and of itself without comparing it to how the child could potentially have grown up otherwise (for example, if its a foster child, if it grew up in the foster system for a decade instead). While children to tend to emulate adults that they love or respect, there's no more reason to believe they'll attempt to "emulate" being gay than they would to "emulate" whatever job their parent does or a particular personality trait like honesty, integrity, or humor that they may have. To say there's "nothing to emulate" in a gay person is ridiculous ignorant. And I don't know about you, but I generally don't feel like explaining to a 9 year old why anyone is french kissing.

Serving in Military
Causes untold issues and problems. Lack of trust for one. Fear of becoming remotely friendly as people might ponder the association.

First, you state "causes" as if there's some kind of fact there. Its unknown how it would affect the military right now. There's reasonable guesses made through surveys and studies, but no real facts to say that it "Causes" those things like you state.

Let them run furniture stores and fashion outlets and design doilies.

Jesus, next are you going to say women need to be barefoot and pregnant while in the kitchen making you a sandwich.
 
I am seeking nothing from no one, especially not from a politically correct BS administration. I am simply stating what I feel. If you notice the Thread is about Obama seeking something, not me.

Fair enough, and true so long as you've never supported/voted for legislation against same sex marriage. Otherwise, you have most certainly endorsed/promoted the use of government force against others concerning the free exercise of rights.
 
Repulsive is opinion and worthless. Marriage is not natural. Procreation is not a requirement for marriage, and gays can and do procreate.

1. Opinion that varies by person
2. No, it doesn't. Marriage in and of itself isn't found in "nature" but is a creation of society. If you mean homosexuality goes against nature, again, no it doesn't its something distinctly found in nature
3. Yes, they absolutely can procreate. They can not concieve child together, however they are able to procreate. And procreation isn't required for marriage to begin with.

Get out of my head! GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
 
Those specific words didn't come out of your mouth, but you still definitely said it.
First of all, I find it funny that several other people have said the same thing as I did (the 2nd comment of the thread by the way), but for some reason you only take issue with my comment. Second of all, no I didn't say it. Quote it or take it back. It's not my fault you inferred something that wasn't there. It's clear that other people understood that I wasn't accusing our government of stoning gay people, so you're clearly the one with the problem.

You stated:

From the article, what standard is "our government" telling other nations to "live by"?
How about this: "No country should deny people their rights to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but also no country should deny people their rights because of who they love, which is why we must stand up for the rights of gays and lesbians everywhere," he said.

How about the fact that he said he's "concerned" about discrimination with LGBT people?

Last I checked, the US government denies LGBT people rights and discriminate against them because of "who they love".

Why look at that, it seems the "standard" our government is telling other nations to "live by" is one where they don't condone violence and discrimination targetting LGBT people, crimilizing their status as such, or beating and killing them for their sexual orientaiton.

Yes, how dare we exempt ourselves from that standard. :roll:

You think we need to do more in this country in regards to LGBT rights? Cool, more power to you. No problem there. But to suggest that what he's stating abroad...that we should suggest to countries that its not okay criminalize being gay, to beat people for being gay, to kill people for being gay because we "exempt ourselves" from that standard is ****ing retarded
If you felt the need to infer some bull**** from my post, then you should have asked me to clarify rather than making dumbass assumptions. Again, Obama said other countries need to stop discriminating and denying people rights because of "who they love". The United States does both. We shouldn't be asking anyone to either until we rectify that problem.
 
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