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Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

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OSAWATOMIE, Kan. (AP) -- President Barack Obama delivered a sweeping indictment of economic inequality in the U.S. on Tuesday as he summoned the memory of President Theodore Roosevelt and pledged to fight for fairness at a "make or break moment for the middle class."Only a month before Republican voters begin choosing a presidential nominee, Obama traveled to small-town Osawatomie, Kan., where Roosevelt delivered his "New Nationalism" address in 1910, to embrace the progressive reformer's calls for a "square deal" for regular Americans.
Obama warned of the unraveling of the American dream, and called for giving hurting middle-class workers a fair shake and restoring financial security - themes he's certain to return to throughout the 2012 campaign.

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So, Obama's abandoned all recourse and is now 100% behind class warfare, envy and jealousy as his mission statement. How do people buy his ****? I mean seriously, "Make or break time for the middle class". Yeah, break if you side with Obama nad put your trust in bureaucrats to save you. Obama's not offering salvation, he's handing you Yoke an saying with sweet words "Put it on, it won't hurt, it's there to help you!"

WAKE UP People, and fight back, against ANY politician that tells you "Government" is the answer. (that goes for you Newt)
 
I'll take ridiculous analogies for 800 Alex...
 
We need to restore the American Dream by demonizing those that succeed...

...yes, that makes sense.

We also need to restore the desire to reach the superbowl in our ****ty franchises by demonizing how the Steelers and Packers do business.

There's a lot of rhetoric you can use to push more regulation on business, more taxes on business, more taxes on wealth, more hoops to jump through the more successful you are, etc....however appealing to the American Dream is ridiculous imho.
 
Remember what always comes next...hurry, we have to hurry, there is no time to waste...let's rush this through right away.

That's the Obama tactic.
 
President Barack Obama delivered a sweeping indictment of economic inequality in the U.S. on Tuesday ................... while on a two week vacation in Hawaii.
 
Wow, Obama is really starting to show his age with all that talk about the American Dream being a "square deal" for regular Americans. We officially gave up on getting a square deal decades ago, back in the '80's. To the post-Reagan generation, the only American Dream we've ever known is ****ing over the other guy, attaining cheap celebrity, and snorting blow off of hookers' tits.
 
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So, Obama's abandoned all recourse and is now 100% behind class warfare, envy and jealousy as his mission statement. How do people buy his ****? I mean seriously, "Make or break time for the middle class". Yeah, break if you side with Obama nad put your trust in bureaucrats to save you. Obama's not offering salvation, he's handing you Yoke an saying with sweet words "Put it on, it won't hurt, it's there to help you!"

WAKE UP People, and fight back, against ANY politician that tells you "Government" is the answer. (that goes for you Newt)

Ridiculous hyperbolic statements seem to be your forte these days. Why don't you just come out of the Pauligan closet already. Good grief.
 
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Ridiculous hyperbolic statements seem to be your forte these days. Why don't you just come out of the Pauligan closet already. Good grief.

You could show how Obama's actually inspiring America to choose a new course! And explain to all of us what that course is and why my analogy is wrong through witty debate and solid reasoning. However, if you listen to Obama, know history and realize what TDR was all about, well... I guess I can see why all you can do is attack me for hyperbole. ta ta hun, thanks for making this one easy on me.
 
I see a vague indictment of vague statements.

I vaguely disregard the whole affair. Let me know when we get to specifics.
 
I see a vague indictment of vague statements.

I vaguely disregard the whole affair. Let me know when we get to specifics.

None of these guys would know class warfare if it came up and bit them in the ass.

Don't hold your breath.
 
You could show how Obama's actually inspiring America to choose a new course!

I don't much care for rhetoric.

And explain to all of us

You mean to your illiterate ass?

what that course is and why my analogy is wrong

You made an analogy? Do you know what an analogy actually is? Oh, you mean that little piece of hyperbolic ranting at the end of your post?

through witty debate and solid reasoning.

You provide none. You're too basic to even begin to use solid reasoning. The half dozen threads where I've ripped on your inability to read are enough proof of this.

However, if you listen to Obama, know history and realize what TDR was all about, well... I guess I can see why all you can do is attack me for hyperbole.

American President: Theodore Roosevelt: Domestic Affairs

As chief executive, Roosevelt felt empowered by the people to help ensure social justice and economic opportunity through government regulation. He was not a radical, however; TR believed that big business was a natural part of a maturing economy and, therefore, saw no reason to abolish it. He never suggested fundamentally altering American society or the economy to address various economic and social ills. In fact, he often stated that there must be reform in order to stave off socialism; if government did not act, the people would turn to more extreme measures to seek remedies.

In addition, TR was a politician who understood the need to compromise in order to implement his ideas. Coming into office following William McKinley's assassination, Roosevelt pledged to maintain the fallen President's policies so as not to upset the nation in a time of mourning. And even when he began to chart his own course, Roosevelt knew that he had to work with congressional Republicans to get the G.O.P. nomination for President in 1904.

Teddy Roosevelt said:
Practical equality of opportunity for all citizens, when we achieve it, will have two great results. First, every man will have a fair chance to make of himself all that in him lies; to reach the highest point to which his capacities, unassisted by special privilege of his own and unhampered by the special privilege of others, can carry him, and to get for himself and his family substantially what he has earned. Second, equality of opportunity means that the commonwealth will get from every citizen the highest service of which he is capable. No man who carries the burden of the special privileges of another can give to the commonwealth that service to which it is fairly entitled.
— I stand for the square deal. But when I say that I am for the square deal, I mean not merely that I stand for fair play under the present rules of the game, but that I stand for having those rules changed so as to work for a more substantial equality of opportunity and of reward for equally good service... When I say I want a square deal for the poor man, I do not mean that I want a square deal for the man who remains poor because he has not got the energy to work for himself. If a man who has had a chance will not make good, then he has got to quit... Now, this means that our government, National and State, must be freed from the sinister influence or control of special interests. Exactly as the special interests of cotton and slavery threatened our political integrity before the Civil War, so now the great special business interests too often control and corrupt the men and methods of government for their own profit. We must drive the special interests out of politics... For every special interest is entitled to justice, but not one is entitled to a vote in Congress, to a voice on the bench, or to representation in any public office. The Constitution guarantees protection to property, and we must make that promise good. But it does not give the right of suffrage to any corporation. The true friend of property, the true conservative, is he who insists that property shall be the servant and not the master of the commonwealth; who insists that the creature of man's making shall be the servant and not the master of the man who made it. The citizens of the United States must effectively control the mighty commercial forces which they have themselves called into being.

Theodore Roosevelt

During a nearly eight-year presidency, Theodore Roosevelt transformed the United States into a world power and the federal government into a vigorous regulator of the industrializing domestic economy. Roosevelt was a frail boy who became a strong man; a soldier who won the Nobel Prize for Peace; a big-game hunter who founded the National Wildlife Refuge System; a historian whose freewheeling revision of the Monroe Doctrine was ultimately dismantled by his fifth cousin Franklin. Above all, he was the son of an elite New York Knickerbocker family who promised “a square deal” for ordinary Americans, taking on powerful lobbies to strengthen the Interstate Commerce Commission, establish the Department of Labor and Commerce, pass the Pure Food and Drug and Meat Inspection acts, and file dozens of federal suits against monopolies. Raised by his father to believe in his civic responsibility, certain of his ability to determine what was right, he possessed in abundance the intellectual and physical energies, political acuity, social standing, and charisma to realize many of his convictions.

United States antitrust law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Public officials during the Progressive Era put passing and enforcing strong antitrust high on their agenda. President Theodore Roosevelt sued 45 companies under the Sherman Act, while William Howard Taft sued 75. In 1902, Roosevelt stopped the formation of the Northern Securities Company, which threatened to monopolize transportation in the Northwest (see Northern Securities Co. v. United States).

Square Deal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Square Deal was President Theodore Roosevelt's domestic program formed upon three basic ideas: conservation of natural resources, control of corporations, and consumer protection.[1] Thus, it aimed at helping middle class citizens and involved attacking plutocracy and bad trusts while at the same time protecting business from the most extreme demands of organized labor.
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Meh, strong on regulation, created the square deal. The reason I attack you is because you're a hyperbole addict. This nonsense about a yoke. What next? Obama is going to use that yoke to march into gas chambers? Piss off already Pauligan.

ta ta hun, thanks for making this one easy on me.

Silence.
 
If Obama cared one whit about "social justice" he wouldn't allow the Fed continue to concentrate only on the needs of Wall Street.
 
I don't much care for rhetoric.
Yet you are a liberal and support Obama. Funny way of not liking Rhetoric. How's the "Hope and Change" working for ya? ROFL.

You mean to your illiterate ass?
Personal attacks now is it?


You made an analogy? Do you know what an analogy actually is? Oh, you mean that little piece of hyperbolic ranting at the end of your post?
I made an analogy, through rhetorical hyperbole to make a point. I'll give you this lesson for free.

You provide none. You're too basic to even begin to use solid reasoning. The half dozen threads where I've ripped on your inability to read are enough proof of this.
No, you attacked me and provided nothing of substance, it appears though, you now shall attempt to do this. I like it when you try Hatuey, it's all the more fun to stomp on you for it.

A Big Government progressive that believed in "Social Justice". Wealth and Property Redistribution... I fail to see how the above helped you...

Meh, strong on regulation, created the square deal. The reason I attack you is because you're a hyperbole addict. This nonsense about a yoke. What next? Obama is going to use that yoke to march into gas chambers? Piss off already Pauligan.
The YOKE represents Government CONTROL. You give up some liberty and freedoms, and the Government will take care of you. Healthcare? "You don't need to worry about that, Government's got your back, we'll just take more of your income and decide the sort of coverage you MUST have. You don't' get a say in the type, cost or coverage, we'll do that for you. "

That is an example of using the YOKE to represent CONTROL. You don't get this, and you call me illiterate. Irony.

You posted this less then two hours ago, do you think Is it around awaiting you post?

However, I will make a note to check this thread again, just to see if you dare respond. Failure to do so will be seen as admitting you were beaten. Again.
 
None of these guys would know class warfare if it came up and bit them in the ass.

Don't hold your breath.

You've never heard a class warfare speech you didn't like, so...
 
However, I will make a note to check this thread again, just to see if you dare respond. Failure to do so will be seen as admitting you were beaten. Again.

It's been four whole minutes, I'd say ring the bell, and hold up the right arm and declare.


j-mac
 
It's been four whole minutes, I'd say ring the bell, and hold up the right arm and declare.


j-mac
haha

I should have put "Silence" at the end. ;)
 
Yet you are a liberal and support Obama. Funny way of not liking Rhetoric. How's the "Hope and Change" working for ya? ROFL.

Are you this ignorant? I created a thread on why I wouldn't vote for Obama. Not much of an Obama supporter now am I?

Personal attacks now is it?

Oh quit your crying.

I made an analogy, through rhetorical hyperbole to make a point. I'll give you this lesson for free.

Rhetorical hyperbole? Lawl, so you made a deliberately exaggerated statement in order to highlight the supposedly factual control that Obama wants to exert of 'our' lives? I know you're bad in Spanish, but even in English you seem to be having problems understanding basic literary devices.

No, you attacked me and provided nothing of substance,

Your OP didn't have any substance to begin with. I replied in kind.

it appears though, you now shall attempt to do this. I like it when you try Hatuey, it's all the more fun to stomp on you for it.

Delusions of grandeur?

A Big Government progressive that believed in "Social Justice".

Yes, a terrible thing at a time where poverty rates make modern recessions seem like cakewalks.

Wealth and Property Redistribution... I fail to see how the above helped you...

Do you honestly think that you and your illiterate attempts at creating factual hyperbolic statements can make social justice seem like a bad thing? Better yet, do you think you and your ignorance could make Teddy look bad?

The YOKE represents Government CONTROL. You give up some liberty and freedoms, and the Government will take care of you. Healthcare? "You don't need to worry about that, Government's got your back, we'll just take more of your income and decide the sort of coverage you MUST have. You don't' get a say in the type, cost or coverage, we'll do that for you. "

Who says you wouldn't need to worry about healthcare? Seriously, have you ever set foot outside the US for any amount of time other than on a family trip or through the military? People in Canada worry about their health care even though they have UHC. What is better is that you think a government employing UCH gets to dictate what kind of coverage you'll get. It goes to show how ignorant you actually are about healthcare.

That is an example of using the YOKE to represent CONTROL. You don't get this, and you call me illiterate. Irony.

Did you admit that your statement was exaggerated and you still pursue it?

You posted this less then two hours ago, do you think Is it around awaiting you post?

However, I will make a note to check this thread again, just to see if you dare respond. Failure to do so will be seen as admitting you were beaten. Again.

This is why you're illiterate. Silence = be quiet. Stfu just didn't seem civil enough.
 
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Are you this ignorant? I created a thread on why I wouldn't vote for Obama. Not much of an Obama supporter now am I?

Oh please, you're going to vote for him, spare us the false agony of choice.


Oh quit your crying.
Quit the personal attacks then.

Rhetorical hyperbole? Lawl, so you made a deliberately exaggerated statement in order to highlight the supposedly factual control that Obama wants to exert of 'our' lives? I know you're bad in Spanish, but even in English you seem to be having problems understanding basic literary devices.
Obamacare, control over our lives. Point, set match.


Your OP didn't have any substance to begin with. I replied in kind.
I know, it was about an Obama speech, no substance, you got me.

Delusions of grandeur?
Truth.

Yes, a terrible thing at a time where poverty rates make modern recessions seem like cakewalks.
The New Deal, Great Society and TRILLIONS in wealth transfer from the productive segments of society to the unproductive. Amazingly, there are still unproductive poor people in America! Your answer is further enslavement and poverty. Shocking.

Do you honestly think that you and your illiterate attempts at creating factual hyperbolic statements can make social justice seem like a bad thing? Better yet, do you think you and your ignorance could make Teddy look bad?
Social Justice is a terrible thing. It uses a false premise that society has a moral obligation to take from those that have, and give it to those that do not. Social Justice is at it's heart, immoral. And yes, I know religious institutions promote it too, I find it reprehensible. TDR was a bad president, a bad man, and helped usher in Progressivism in America. For that his name should be spoken with scorn and ridicule.

Who says you wouldn't need to worry about healthcare? Seriously, have you ever set foot outside the US for any amount of time other than on a family trip or through the military? People in Canada worry about their health care even though they have UHC. What is better is that you think a government employing UCH gets to dictate what kind of coverage you'll get. It goes to show how ignorant you actually are about healthcare.
No, it shows how much koolaide you drink. People in Canada worry because they have to wait months for procedures, for now, you can get done in a matter of DAYS in the USA. HAVE you READ Obamacare? It dictates the minimum level of coverage YOU MUST have, and if you refuse to carry insurance, you are penalized. Care to explain how that's not control? I shall eagerly await this one.

Did you admit that your statement was exaggerated and you still pursue it?
I explained it to you, since you missed it the first time, and you are still incapable of understanding. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can'[t make him drink..."

This is why you're illiterate. Silence = be quiet. Stfu just didn't seem civil enough.
Ahhh. I see, you used Silence as an ORDER. How silly of me, I have a response to that:

No.
 
Obamacare, control over our lives. Point, set match.
:lamo + :doh = :bs

No no it doesnt. It doesnt even come close to "controlling our lives".

Also on the Canada note how many people actually die from these horrendous, just have to be awful "waiting times"? Studies have found 45,000 people in the US die from just having lack of health care... Now how many die in Canada from these "waiting times"?

Also if UHC is sooo terrible why are people all over Europe fighting for it to stay around whenever a conservative politician comes around and tries to get rid of it or make huge drastic cuts?
 
Also where in gods name did you find class warfare in this?
 
:lamo + :doh = :bs

No no it doesnt. It doesnt even come close to "controlling our lives".

Bull****. You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty. Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
That's the definition of control.
Also on the Canada note how many people actually die from these horrendous, just have to be awful "waiting times"? Studies have found 45,000 people in the US die from just having lack of health care... Now how many die in Canada from these "waiting times"?

Also if UHC is sooo terrible why are people all over Europe fighting for it to stay around whenever a conservative politician comes around and tries to get rid of it or make huge drastic cuts?

How many people die? Is there an acceptable "deaths from waiting?" limit I'm unaware of? How about the pain and suffering?

As for Europe... people like free stuff, they THINK UHC is free. Sadly they don't seem to want to accept the truth of it's cost.
 
Bull****. You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty.
Uhhh that controls your life?
Pay the penalty then...
You have to have car insurance.. "MY LIFE IS BEING CONTROLLED!"

Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
No see that is a flat out lie. You can still chooser your coverage. Not a bureaucrat... You choose your own coverage.



How many people die? Is there an acceptable "deaths from waiting?"
How many? Do they still get treated?
How many? I can tell you how many die in this country.....


As for Europe... people like free stuff, they THINK UHC is free. Sadly they don't seem to want to accept the truth of it's cost.
That is your "logical" reponse to that? "In Europe people life free stuff"? :doh
Im pretty sure they dont think UHC is free... Im pretty sure they know that is where some of their tax dollars go to...
Soo you whole response is "Europeans like free ****".. Wow..... Wow..... Now i know why people have really bad stereotypes about us (Americans)
 
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