Steve can have his opinion and we can have ours.
Oh, so, let's hear how you propose that a war with Iran would turn out?? And what is the basis for that opinion?
Do you really believe the world can ignore the Middle East and not get involved? Do you think the Middle East, and the Islamists, will ignore the US, Europe and the other democracies? They are there, as well as here, and we have to deal with it, threats of "embroilment" or not.
Well, maybe if you believe the premise that terrorism is the result of jealousy and not an act of retaliation from oppression, then we cant just ignore the middle east.
At this point, because the us had done so much against the ME already, we're likely well past the point where they would just leave us alone...
So, ya, at this point we do have to deal with the problems we've created.
I don´t believe we should concern ourselves too much with what China and Russia say. It seems that the West is running scared from what the Middle East might say, what the Russians might say, what the Chinese might say, and so on.
Umm, first the russians,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/12/russia-upset-over-us-wars_n_875659.html
Next, china
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/04/usa-china-idUSL3E7L40IA20111004
Neither of those blocs are to be messed with... Remember when the us started that little skirmish in south Ossetia ?? Well, the Russians rolled in with nuke launchers... They are NOT a joke.
Again, the Chinese could destroy the us without ever firing a shot... We are that deep in debt, that they decide whether or not the US has an economy.
Have the democracies become such wimps that we are afraid to call these third world ninnies what they actually are, and that if they dare raise a hand against us we will annihilate them?
Generally yes, but not wanting war is not necessarily a sign of weakness.
The West is leaderless right now and that makes the world a far more dangerous place. By BHO attempting to make the third world like him, that he is a sensitive liberal guy who admits America´s faults and just wants to get along, makes America, and the West, look weak and foolish. Denigrating ourselves does not make us more secure.
I tend to agree here.
Yes, the idea is to win at whatever costs. The US cannot be defeated militarily but it can be defeated any number of other ways and is in that process now. The leaders are weak, the people are weak, the culture is weak, the borders are weak, and the foreign policy is either non existent or counter productive. Being afraid of what other leaders might say just brings this point home yet again. Americans can´t even defend their own borders, or carry an official I.D. card, without an internal fuss being made. They have indeed become a sanctuary nation.
Win against what?? You mean against the enemies the us creates through their actions??
Do you have a link to that?
Let´s not stray too far from the discussion.
Yes, i agree that this whole body scan thing is a scam and an incredible over reaction against American civil liberties, But that´s the price we all pay for being politically correct rather than smart.
It seems you arrived at the logical conclusion.
Which was my point, Everyone knows the US is weak and doesn't want any casualties in any confrontation. Any war involving the United States will eventually become political and the politicians, as well as too many of the people, will become frightened and weak and will soon just want to leave, Americans can´t even defend their own borders for crying out loud, for fear of offending someone. How pathetic is that? This does not go unnoticed in the international community, or by Allies or those who would want to do harm.
I generally agree with all this, to a great extent the American people are defeated... As a generality they've grown accustomed to all the toys and trinkets, and in many ways kept juvenile and ignorant.
Now, in ways war has already started with Iran, but russia and china have both been making attempts to block this...
If there is talk of a serious threat to the US by a legitimate leader you mention the possibility of a cluster bomb in his immediate vicinity. If the talk continues, just do it, and mention to his successor that there are plenty more waiting to be used. Don't fool with these bastards and their sense of self preservation will soon overcome any aggressive tendencies they might harbor.
Ya, that can work against SOME countries, but china for example has a military that FLUCTUATES the American population... The Russians are at a comparable technological development AND they do not back down. Putin, if he maintains power, is a killer. Look in his eyes.
Iran is not really a threat to the us in any direct and significant way, neither was the rest of the middle east, though the middle east IS close to Israel, and it's pretty well accepted that Israel and us are close allies.
Barrack Hussein Obama is either working against America´s interests or is irredeemably stupid. There is the possibility of both being true.
Before I answer, with bush, I asked the similar question that he was either As stupid as he came across and believed his own tripe, OR he was simply an evil genius... Or it is possible that he was a mediocre puppet acting stupid, though he was aware of his "job" before hand.
Similarly, Obama comes across as a lot smarter, and so. It seems more likely that he is knowingly working against American interests....
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That may be overstating the case but under the present circumstances it´s the Chinese, the Islamists and the Latin Americans who are all interested in remaking the United States in their own light. They´ll probably fight it out eventually, though in ways that will again be quite different from previous wars.
It's really not overstating the case, though such actions would be a detriment to china as well, but they are better prepared to handle that shock.
The southern border wars is a whole other issue...
In fact all they do is mess around. Their future is grim as well.
I doubt there is much Americans can do now to save the America that was. Perhaps it has to get worse before it can possibly get better but the way Americans are turning on each other, their reckless disregard for spending limits, the corruption in the government, the breakdown in the education system, the disappearing lack of pride in the American individualism, etc. does not bode well.
And this is all very, very sad for the world. There is no place anyone can go to now to realize the dream that America once inspired.
Ya, it's unfortunate, but the entire world is facing a great depression, it could be decades before the world returns to some level of positive economics, but it the trend does not turn, I don't believe that the constitution will be saved...