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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Results matter whereas you buy the rhetoric. it isn't personal against obama, it is his policies and his divisive rhetoric that matters.
again, for the umpteenth time, RESULTS DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT MATTER TO YOU, AS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY SHOWN...ALL THAT MATTERS IS IF THEIR IS AN (R) NEXT TO THE NAME....if there is, all is good in your world, IF NOT.......:2bigcry: you cry
 
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till the day he died, Reagan refused to take any responsibility for Iran-Contra. That's not leadership, its cowardice.

That is a lie but also irrelevant to the leadership shown by Reagan steering us out of the Carter malaise and economic failures as the results show

Iran Arms and Contra Aid Controversy . Reagan . WGBH American Experience | PBS

First, let me say I take full responsibility for my own actions and for those of my administration. As angry as I may be about activities undertaken without my knowledge, I am still accountable for those activities. As disappointed as I may be in some who served me, I'm still the one who must answer to the American people for this behavior. And as personally distasteful as I find secret bank accounts and diverted funds - well, as the Navy would say, this happened on my watch.
 
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140,000 jobs gained in a month where 315,000 dropped out of the labor force thus creating another net job loss which you want to ignore. Any sign of a positive to you is trumpeted yet like far too many you cannot explain why with what you perceive as good numbers is he losing support from the people that supported him in 2008? you see, the bottomline matters more than your perception and the bottomline shows a net job loss, declining labor force, and higher misery index
Your dishonesty never takes a holiday, does it, Con?

Now you're comparing household survery unemployment data with payroll employment data when an honest person would use one dataset to make such a comparison.

And the reason you cherry-picked payroll employment data over household employment data, even though doing so is dishonest ... ?

Because payroll data is lower. Payroll data shows 140,000 private sector jobs gained whereas household survey data shows 278,000 jobs gained.

It's a good sign for Obama that his detractors have to lie about Obama in order to make him look worse.
 
Your dishonesty never takes a holiday, does it, Con?

Now you're comparing household survery unemployment data with payroll employment data when an honest person would use one dataset to make such a comparison.

And the reason you cherry-picked payroll employment data over household employment data, even though doing so is dishonest ... ?

Because payroll data is lower. Payroll data shows 140,000 private sector jobs gained whereas household survey data shows 278,000 jobs gained.

It's a good sign for Obama that his detractors have to lie about Obama in order to make him look worse.

24 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 15.6% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.4 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
 
24 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 15.6% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.4 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
Translation: conservative was caught lying again. Result? Shift goal posts again.
 
Translation: conservative was caught lying again. Result? Shift goal posts again.

those are the Obama results to date, live with them. There is a reason his JAR is 42% which is down 11% from the votes he got in 2008.
 
those are the Obama results to date, live with them. There is a reason his JAR is 42% which is down 11% from the votes he got in 2008.
What was the reason Bush's JAR sank as low as 19%?

And he's not down 11%, he's down 11 percentage points. Amazing how someone who boasts such superiority over others on a forum can make such a rookie mistake. At any rate, that is meaningless in terms of the election.
 
Could you imagine that guy as like a pope or something....*shivers*
If Obama were doing as bad as he claims, there would be no reason to lie about his record. That Conservative lies all the time about it shows me that it's not as bad as he claims.
 
If Obama were doing as bad as he claims, there would be no reason to lie about his record. That Conservative lies all the time about it shows me that it's not as bad as he claims.

And if Obama was doing as good as you claim his JAR wouldn't be 42% today on Gallup. Pretty simple questions

Is the unemployment rate lower than it was when he took office?
Is the labor force as high as it was when he took office?
Is the misery index what it was when he took office?
Is the debt per year the same or lower than when he took office?
Is the U-6 lower than when he took office?
Are there as many employed today as there were when he took office?

If his record is that good why are the numbers so bad three years after taking office
 
24 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 15.6% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.4 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com

funny, I could swear I saw this post before.
 
And if Obama was doing as good as you claim his JAR wouldn't be 42% today on Gallup. Pretty simple questions

Is the unemployment rate lower than it was when he took office?
Is the labor force as high as it was when he took office?
Is the misery index what it was when he took office?
Is the debt per year the same or lower than when he took office?
Is the U-6 lower than when he took office?
Are there as many employed today as there were when he took office?

If his record is that good why are the numbers so bad three years after taking office
All those numbers are directly attributable to the recession he inherited which is why polls continue to show that a majority still believe Bush is to blame for the current economic conditions and not Obama.

I recall you once answering the question of why you voted for Bush again even though his record in many factors was worse than Obama's and you pointed to 2004, saying that the economy was improving by then. Yet you don't offer Obama the same luxury as the economy has been growing stronger for the last 2 years now; just not strong enough to overcome the damage done by Bush's Great Recession. Why? Because all that matters to you is the letter that comes after the candidates name, not results.
 
...If his record is that good why are the numbers so bad three years after taking office

stock market up 5,000 points.

signed a new nuclear arms treaty with Russia.

killed Bin Laden.

ended the Iraq war.

signed new financial reform legislation.

signed new fuel efficiency standards.

finally got tobacco under the regulation of the FDA.

streamlined federal student loan program.

passed meaningful healthcare reform legislation.

ended DADT.

corporate profits are at an all-time high.

financial institution holdings are at an all-time high.

....yep, lots of great things have happened under Obama.
 
Here's an article which came out today which discusses the impact of baby boomers retiring on the particpation rate...

Drop in U.S. Joblessness Is Early Sign of Coming Shift: Economy - Businessweek

At play is a decline in the share of the working-age population, known as the participation rate, meaning that the economy needs to create fewer jobs to bring down unemployment. While some of the decrease has been caused by discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force, another driver is that the baby-boom generation is starting to move into retirement, according to economist Dean Maki.

The baby boom, the population bulge after World War II between 1946 and 1964, added 9.4 million people in the 16-24 age group during the 1960s and 7.3 million in the 1970s. Boomers started turning 65 this year, and every day for the next 18 years, about 10,000 more will hit the age that historically has been associated with retirement, according to the Pew Research Center in Washington.

There are currently about 15,000,000 baby boomers aged 62 and older and there will be close to 4 million being added every year. Conservatives are crazy if they don't understand the impact of that on the labor force. :screwy
 
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