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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Misterveritis said:
The Senate is very likely to pass into Republican control during the next election. I hope we are smart enough to add to the number of Conservatives. If they are establishment Republicans then we are only marginally better off.
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It is highly unlikely that the House, the Senate, or the WH will pass into conservative hands after the next election, or anytime in the foreseeable future. Now, all of the above could well come under Republican control, probably will, in fact, but the change will be about as momentous as the change from Republican to Democrat control back in '06.

My prediction is that the growth of government will continue unabated, the debt will continue to grow, illegal immigration will continue, our liberties will still be under attack, and money and partisanship will continue to dominate in Washington.

When the economy finally begins to turn around, the party in power will cheer and declare that their policies, which really aren't any different from the policies they replaced, are the reason. The party out of power will declare that they started the ball rolling last time they were in power.

Meanwhile, money and partisanship will ensure that nothing of substance gets passed in Washington.

Oh, and it will no doubt be colder in December than in July.

That last prediction is the least certain of any of them.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It is highly unlikely that the House, the Senate, or the WH will pass into conservative hands after the next election, or anytime in the foreseeable future. Now, all of the above could well come under Republican control, probably will, in fact, but the change will be about as momentous as the change from Republican to Democrat control back in '06.

My prediction is that the growth of government will continue unabated, the debt will continue to grow, illegal immigration will continue, our liberties will still be under attack, and money and partisanship will continue to dominate in Washington.

When the economy finally begins to turn around, the party in power will cheer and declare that their policies, which really aren't any different from the policies they replaced, are the reason. The party out of power will declare that they started the ball rolling last time they were in power.

Meanwhile, money and partisanship will ensure that nothing of substance gets passed in Washington.

Oh, and it will no doubt be colder in December than in July.

That last prediction is the least certain of any of them.
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A rather pessimistic POV but not unrealistic. There just doesn't seem to be the will to turn things around and few want to look at what's best for the long term strength of the country.

Americans must act intelligently before there are no other alternatives, they have exhausted all other possibilities, and reality is inevitably forced upon them. The Grecian Formula.

It's often hyperbole but this next presidential election could genuinely be the most important in the last 100 years. The question is, can the American people recognize the dangers and put their country ahead of their politics?
 
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Grant said:
A rather pessimistic POV but not unrealistic. There just doesn't seem to be the will to turn things around and few want to look at what's best for the long term strength of the country.

Americans must act intelligently before there are no other alternatives, they have exhausted all other possibilities, and reality is inevitably forced upon them. The Grecian Formula.

It's often hyperbole but this next presidential election could genuinely be the most important in the last 100 years. The question is, can the American people recognize the dangers and put their country ahead of their politics?
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Probably not, and it probably doesn't matter so much who is president. The POTUS does have power, but not nearly as much as we seem to think.

But, the future could be rosier than I've painted it. My cynicism proves wrong as much as 5% of the time.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It is highly unlikely that the House, the Senate, or the WH will pass into conservative hands after the next election, or anytime in the foreseeable future. Now, all of the above could well come under Republican control, probably will, in fact, but the change will be about as momentous as the change from Republican to Democrat control back in '06.
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Now there is a paragraph that one can read and say man this guy is committed to his prediction....heh, heh...but really, the change in '06 if you really look back at it was the start of the slide to where we are now...Um, who was it that took control of the purse again.....It's on the tip of my tongue....Oh, that's right, demo's.

Now granted, Bush should have used the veto pen more than he did, but to say that it isn't likely that republicans won't take control of the reins again in the WH, and both houses, is at this moment just not in touch with reality.

My prediction is that the growth of government will continue unabated, the debt will continue to grow, illegal immigration will continue, our liberties will still be under attack, and money and partisanship will continue to dominate in Washington.
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If that is the case then whom ever is in, will find themselves out with the next election. The people are fed up with this.

When the economy finally begins to turn around, the party in power will cheer and declare that their policies, which really aren't any different from the policies they replaced, are the reason. The party out of power will declare that they started the ball rolling last time they were in power.
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Depends, if the repubs actually reverse the quasi socialist policies of the liberal progressive hoards now occupying office, then there would be good reason to take credit.

Meanwhile, money and partisanship will ensure that nothing of substance gets passed in Washington.
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And the great uniter in office now has really brought America together?

Oh, and it will no doubt be colder in December than in July.
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Not if we all continue to drive our SUV's....heh, heh....

That last prediction is the least certain of any of them.
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None of them seem to carry any real accuracy.

j-mac
 
EarlzP said:
Total distortion on your part, the numbers we see today are better then we could have expected considering what numbers we would have seen without the leadership of President Obama. President Bush had eight years to shape the economy and instead of shaping the economy he engaged in an effort of nation building which he financed by borrowing money from the Chinese.And now the right wing conservatives run by the unofficial conservative leader lobbyist Grover Norquist are doing every thing they can to regain control of the Presidency and the two houses.

The American people have one chance to salvage the middle class and America in 2012 and that is to vote for President Obama and give him control of the senate and the congress
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Obama had control of the Congress 2009-2010 and we saw what happened thus the Nov. 2010 elections. If you generated the kind of results Obama generated you would have been fired.
 
EarlzP said:
Total distortion on your part, the numbers we see today are better then we could have expected considering what numbers we would have seen without the leadership of President Obama.
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That is some crystal ball you have there...So, the best you could have hoped for was an increase in unemployment, uncertainty in the business climate, and some 1.5 million net more people out of work?

That's "the Hope, and Change" we were waiting for? Really?


President Bush had eight years to shape the economy and instead of shaping the economy he engaged in an effort of nation building which he financed by borrowing money from the Chinese.
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As we can see clearly in the numbers, the economy started sliding in '06. Now what happened that could effect the economy, and the purse in Washington at that time? Hmmmm....Let's see.....Oh yeah, demo's took over.

BTW, Obama's spending on social disasterous programs dwarfs anything spent in Afghanistan, Iraq, or all the other deficits combined since the beginning of this country.....

And now the right wing conservatives run by the unofficial conservative leader lobbyist Grover Norquist are doing every thing they can to regain control of the Presidency and the two houses.
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It's gotta be better than puppet master Soros running things.

The American people have one chance to salvage the middle class and America in 2012 and that is to vote for President Obama and give him control of the senate and the congress
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What should we re name the country should that happen, because it damned sure won't be America anymore.


j-mac
 
Regulatory burden is through the roof. Its a big part of why business is having problems committing to expansion, it costs more for them to hire than it does to actually lose business in some cases.



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Conservative said:
Top Selling Christmas gift 2011

Barack Obama Bumper Sticker Removal Kit. - YouTube
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That may be eclipsed by this.....

This year, many are looking into a brand new rifle or pistol as their top choice for Christmas, and store owners said guns of all shapes and sizes have been flying off the shelves.

Jake Terry sells guns at the Tackle Box in Fort Smith, and he said the month of December has been the hottest for all types of firearms.

"As far as Christmas sales, we've definitely noticed an increase," Terry said.

According to FBI records, background checks for prospective gun buyers have gone up by 32 percent since last year's Black Friday shopping spree. Terry said the trend has been carried out mainly by first time buyers.

"Everybody seems to be just a little uncertain, and it's kind of better safe than sorry. They want to buy guns and ammunition, just in case," Terry said.

Read more: Gun Sales Increase For Christmas - Project Economy News Story - KHBS NW Arkansas
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Obama's plan is stimulating the gun industry that's for sure.....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Now there is a paragraph that one can read and say man this guy is committed to his prediction....heh, heh...but really, the change in '06 if you really look back at it was the start of the slide to where we are now...Um, who was it that took control of the purse again.....It's on the tip of my tongue....Oh, that's right, demo's.
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Exactly my point. We changed parties, and nothing else changed. Surely, you don't think the growth of government, the debt, illegal immigration, the attack on our liberties, and money and partisanship dominating in Washington only dates from '06!

j-mac said:
Now granted, Bush should have used the veto pen more than he did, but to say that it isn't likely that republicans won't take control of the reins again in the WH, and both houses, is at this moment just not in touch with reality.
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Correct. In fact, part of my prediction was that the Republicans would do just that. Now, as for those conservatives, the ones who are going to change the trends I just mentioned, where are they?



j-mac said:
If that is the case then whom ever is in, will find themselves out with the next election. The people are fed up with this.
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Exactly, and when they find themselves out, nothing of substance will change and people will still be fed up.



j-mac said:
Depends, if the repubs actually reverse the quasi socialist policies of the liberal progressive hoards now occupying office, then there would be good reason to take credit.
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The closest we've come to real socialism is the quasi take over of General Motors, which started under a Republican POTUS and came to full fruition under a Democrat. So, the real difference is... is.. sorry, it escapes me at the moment.



j-mac said:
And the great uniter in office now has really brought America together?
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hardly.

j-mac said:
None of them seem to carry any real accuracy.

j-mac
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Well, I hope not, but whenever I've expected any real change in Washington DC, that prediction turned out to be the one that lacked accuracy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Exactly my point. We changed parties, and nothing else changed. Surely, you don't think the growth of government, the debt, illegal immigration, the attack on our liberties, and money and partisanship dominating in Washington only dates from '06!



Correct. In fact, part of my prediction was that the Republicans would do just that. Now, as for those conservatives, the ones who are going to change the trends I just mentioned, where are they?





Exactly, and when they find themselves out, nothing of substance will change and people will still be fed up.





The closest we've come to real socialism is the quasi take over of General Motors, which started under a Republican POTUS and came to full fruition under a Democrat. So, the real difference is... is.. sorry, it escapes me at the moment.





hardly.



Well, I hope not, but whenever I've expected any real change in Washington DC, that prediction turned out to be the one that lacked accuracy.
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Ok, so what are you saying? give up? I know you better than that DN, I just don't see that in you.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Ok, so what are you saying? give up? I know you better than that DN, I just don't see that in you.


j-mac
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I suppose that does sound sort of cynical, doesn't it? No, let's not give up. Let's not expect any miracles as a result of the next election, either.
 
Well, I hope not, but whenever I've expected any real change in Washington DC, that prediction turned out to be the one that lacked accuracy.
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Parties will compete with each others, bribing the public with their own money. Perhaps the difference lies in selecting a leader with a proven track record in economic success rather than relying only on party politics.
 
Grant said:
Parties will compete with each others, bribing the public with their own money. Perhaps the difference lies in selecting a leader with a proven track record in economic success rather than relying only on party politics.
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First step: Nominate Romney. Second step: Don't expect miracles, but hope that perhaps there might be a few changes.
 
Grant said:
He is the only sensible choice, and should have been the nominee last time.
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I agree.

So, how does he get himself nominated? How does he gain the support of the Evangelicals who are hung up on his religion?
 
Conservative said:
Obama had control of the Congress 2009-2010 and we saw what happened thus the Nov. 2010 elections. If you generated the kind of results Obama generated you would have been fired.
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Total non sequitur! Congress doesn't have control of private business including lending institutions where credit was almost non existent.

There has now been 21 straight months of private sector growth since the Bush Great Depression started.
 
pbrauer said:
Total non sequitur! Congress doesn't have control of private business including lending institutions where credit was almost non existent.
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Maybe not in total outright ownership, but they certainly do have the power of over regulation, and threat of hyper taxation to use in a form of control don't they?


There has now been 21 straight months of private sector growth since the Bush Great Depression started.
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This is a lie promoted those using manipulated statistics to say this when it is clearly to anyone with eyes that it is untrue.


j-mac
 
Dittohead not! said:
I agree.

So, how does he get himself nominated? How does he gain the support of the Evangelicals who are hung up on his religion?
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I don't think his religion is as much a problem as the MSM would like it to be.


j-mac
 
pbrauer said:
Total non sequitur! Congress doesn't have control of private business including lending institutions where credit was almost non existent.

There has now been 21 straight months of private sector growth since the Bush Great Depression started.
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that isn't true as BLS report shows nor is the Bush record

Big Media Distorts Bush Economic Record - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)

2) "Economy Made Few Gains in Bush Years", declared the Washington Post earlier this week. And while the story grudgingly acknowledged the 52-straight months of job growth, it dismissed any economic gains as the ephemeral product of the housing bubble and wild-spending consumers. Except ... that worker productivity -- the most important long-term indicator of the core health and competitiveness of an economy -- has risen at a really impressive 2.6 annual rate during the Bush years vs. 2.0 percent for Clinton and 1.6 percent for Reagan. (That factoid from the Wall Street Journal.) This is important stuff. It's one big reason why the World Economic Forum says the U.S. has the most competitive economy in the world. The economic rebound after the pro-growth 2003 tax cuts was no mirage.
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j-mac said:
That is some crystal ball you have there...So, the best you could have hoped for was an increase in unemployment, uncertainty in the business climate, and some 1.5 million net more people out of work?

That's "the Hope, and Change" we were waiting for? Really?




As we can see clearly in the numbers, the economy started sliding in '06. Now what happened that could effect the economy, and the purse in Washington at that time? Hmmmm....Let's see.....Oh yeah, demo's took over.

BTW, Obama's spending on social disasterous programs dwarfs anything spent in Afghanistan, Iraq, or all the other deficits combined since the beginning of this country.....



It's gotta be better than puppet master Soros running things.



What should we re name the country should that happen, because it damned sure won't be America anymore.


j-mac
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Call it the United States of Hyperbole.
 
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