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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Conservative said:
Real leaders don't blame others for their own mistakes. Real leaders do compromise but you don't compromise with a liberal, you defeat them as Reagan did.

Your ignorance of what went on in the 80's is quite telling. Reagan's budgets and economic policies were DOA according to Tip O'Neil but that fact escapes you just like the net 17 million job increase during his term. If you believe liberal economic policy will save the American economy then you are indeed hopeless and ignore the actual Obama results generated with a Democrat Congress with overwhelming numbers. Neither Reagan or Bush had those kind of numbers. Reagan took his policies to the American people and Bush implemented his policies from 2003-2006 and the results are there for all to see. Stop ignoring them.
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The only mistake I see that President Obama has made is he has tried to hard to negotiate with republicans and that cost the democrats a lot of seats in 2010. If the Reagan era democrats had signed pledges to never lower taxes Reagan would have accomplished nothing.If Tip O'Neil had wanted to kill any Reagan or republican bill he could have. You need to do some home work before you accuse others of being ignorant of facts

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House f Representatives

In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994.


Read more: Who controlled the house and senate during the Reagan years
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So I will repeat it for you again you can not compare the Reagan and Obama presidencies, one reason is that President Reagan had a democratic party that would negotiate with him another was 270 plus democrats had not signed a lobbyist drawn up pledge to never lower taxes
 
EarlzP said:
The only mistake I see that President Obama has made is he has tried to hard to negotiate with republicans and that cost the democrats a lot of seats in 2010. If the Reagan era democrats had signed pledges to never lower taxes Reagan would have accomplished nothing.If Tip O'Neil had wanted to kill any Reagan or republican bill he could have. You need to do some home work before you accuse others of being ignorant of facts



So I will repeat it for you again you can not compare the Reagan and Obama presidencies, one reason is that President Reagan had a democratic party that would negotiate with him another was 270 plus democrats had not signed a lobbyist drawn up pledge to never lower taxes
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Nonsense. He had to negotiate with blue dog dems more than he ever did with Republicans. That isnt what cost him. His policies is what cost him. When you say this will happen as in the case of the stimulus and the result is not really close, you have a credibility issue.
 
Misterveritis said:
Yes. Some of it. Reagan received a hollow military. I know. I was in it as a young officer. He fleshed it out. He used wise government spending, on Constitutional things like defense to defeat the Evil Empire.

But yes. Your statement is reasonable. Going from a 230 ship Navy to an Navy over 500 ships created jobs in the private sector. Creating new, highly accurate ballistic missiles created many, well-paying jobs. Creating cruise missiles and stealthy aircraft all created many, many jobs. But all combined did not create anywhere near 17 million new jobs. Entrepreneurs did that. If government will remove its hands from around the throats of job makers an economic miracle could occur again.
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If military spending is the way to prosperity, and if we're currently spending more on the military than any other nation, then we should be well on the way to prosperity.
 
Conservative said:
I figured you could keep up and I didn't have to post the Detroit numbers AGAIN. Detroit Illiterate rate is 47% and the state of Alabama's is 25%. Again I gave a liberal too much credit
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47% and 25% illiteracy rates? In the USA?

Third world countries do better than that.

Oh, that's "illiterate" rates. Must be something different.
 
AdamT said:
Only because Republicans refused to negotiate, period.
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Negotiate on what, leftwing policies that have generated the numbers we have today? You don't negotiate with a leftwing community organizer who had total control of Congress his first two years and had no problem tellling the Republicans "I won, you lost!" how do you negotiate with someone who promotes class warfare and makes those kind of statements?
 
Conservative said:
Negotiate on what, leftwing policies that have generated the numbers we have today? You don't negotiate with a leftwing community organizer who had total control of Congress his first two years and had no problem tellling the Republicans "I won, you lost!" how do you negotiate with someone who promotes class warfare and makes those kind of statements?
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Dittohead not! said:
If military spending is the way to prosperity, and if we're currently spending more on the military than any other nation, then we should be well on the way to prosperity.
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Whether or not it is the way to prosperity defense is a Constitutional requirement. If you object to paying for an all volunteer force perhaps you could discuss the return of the draft and far lower wages.

Tripling the size of the Navy and fully funding the military to perfomr the missions Congress and the President intend and assign ought to be done before we spend on anything else.
 
AdamT said:
Appropriate response to your partisan drivel.
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And yours...but thats not really a proper response of any sort, now is it?

As I said before, the problem with Obama is his policies. Republicans will be running against them. Obama and his team will be trying to run against Bush again while alternately downplaying any damage his policies are causing and talking up the ones that are even remotely positive. But the problem is absolutely that his policies have not delivered what he said they would. His credibility is shot.
 
OpportunityCost said:
And yours...but thats not really a proper response of any sort, now is it?

As I said before, the problem with Obama is his policies. Republicans will be running against them. Obama and his team will be trying to run against Bush again while alternately downplaying any damage his policies are causing and talking up the ones that are even remotely positive. But the problem is absolutely that his policies have not delivered what he said they would. His credibility is shot.
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The bolded part is wrong. What Obama will/is running against is the obstructionist/republicans in congress. Kinda hard to loose with that and the clown show candidates the republicans have put forth.Might as well run trump.
 
treedancer said:
The bolded part is wrong. What Obama will/is running against is the obstructionist/republicans in congress. Kinda hard to loose with that and the clown show candidates the republicans have put forth.Might as well run trump.
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Personally, I prefer Bachmann. But I believe Gingrich will be our next President.
 
Conservative said:
Negotiate on what, leftwing policies that have generated the numbers we have today?
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Total distortion on your part, the numbers we see today are better then we could have expected considering what numbers we would have seen without the leadership of President Obama. President Bush had eight years to shape the economy and instead of shaping the economy he engaged in an effort of nation building which he financed by borrowing money from the Chinese.And now the right wing conservatives run by the unofficial conservative leader lobbyist Grover Norquist are doing every thing they can to regain control of the Presidency and the two houses.

The American people have one chance to salvage the middle class and America in 2012 and that is to vote for President Obama and give him control of the senate and the congress
 
EarlzP said:
Total distortion on your part, the numbers we see today are better then we could have expected considering what numbers we would have seen without the leadership of President Obama. President Bush had eight years to shape the economy and instead of shaping the economy he engaged in an effort of nation building which he financed by borrowing money from the Chinese.And now the right wing conservatives run by the unofficial conservative leader lobbyist Grover Norquist are doing every thing they can to regain control of the Presidency and the two houses.

The American people have one chance to salvage the middle class and America in 2012 and that is to vote for President Obama and give him control of the senate and the congress
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The Senate is very likely to pass into Republican control during the next election. I hope we are smart enough to add to the number of Conservatives. If they are establishment Republicans then we are only marginally better off.
 
Misterveritis said:
The Senate is very likely to pass into Republican control during the next election. I hope we are smart enough to add to the number of Conservatives. If they are establishment Republicans then we are only marginally better off.
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Really? how do you figure that?
 
I bet it is going to be awfully quiet in here the day after the election....The site will probably be nearly void of liberals...heh, heh....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I bet it is going to be awfully quiet in here the day after the election....The site will probably be nearly void of liberals...heh, heh....


j-mac
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If a republican wins (and I don't consider that "in the bag"), I think you will see a ton of activity as they tell us we are doomed.
 
Keridan said:
If a republican wins (and I don't consider that "in the bag"), I think you will see a ton of activity as they tell us we are doomed.
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I might go into airline ticket brokering....I know many of them will leave the country.....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I bet it is going to be awfully quiet in here the day after the election....The site will probably be nearly void of liberals...heh, heh....


j-mac
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Ok, what's the bet?
 
j-mac said:
I might go into airline ticket brokering....I know many of them will leave the country.....


j-mac
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Just dont send them north!'

Mexico is a great place in which to live and they have lots of social programs!! (Spread the word!)
 
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