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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Conservative said:
Because after three years I see no evidence of leadership skills. he is a leftwing ideologue who cannot run on his record so he has to create greater dependence and hope that carries him to re-election
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The nation going from a negative GDP to a positive GDP, going from losing 750k jobs per month to private sector job growth is a bad record?
 
Thunder said:
he made the VERY risky decision to kill Bin Laden. He made the tough decision to end the war in Iraq without leaving an American military force. he made the decision to bail out GM.

he made the decision to sign a good nuclear weapons reduction treaty with Russia.

he made the decision to NOT close GITMO.

these were important policy decisions, that took courage as he knew he would take massive heat for them. he has shown leadership.
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that is your opinion but void of reality. Leaving iraq was negotiated by Bush in 2008,, getting Bin Laden was done with intelligence gained during the Bush years and with Gates and Petraeus. Nuclear weapons reduction hurt our allies and hasn't prevented Iran from developing a Nuke.

Keep buying what you are told and then tell me how any of that puts 24 million plus unemployed and under Employed Americans back to work?
 
winston53660 said:
The nation going from a negative GDP to a positive GDP, going from losing 750k jobs per month to private sector job growth is a bad record?
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well, you see, according to Conservatives, Obama has no right to take credit for anything good that has happened over the last three years.

not the killing of Bin Laden.

not the new Start nuke treaty.

not bailing out GM.

not the financial reform plan.

none of it. Obama gets credit for none of it.

;)
 
winston53660 said:
The nation going from a negative GDP to a positive GDP, going from losing 750k jobs per month to private sector job growth is a bad record?
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And yet we have fewer employed today than when he took office, a declining labor force, and rising misery index
 
Thunder said:
well, you see, according to Conservatives, Obama has no right to take credit for anything good that has happened over the last three years.

not the killing of Bin Laden.

not the new Start nuke treaty.

not bailing out GM.

not the financial reform plan.

none of it. Obama gets credit for none of it.

;)
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how many people lost their jobs because of the bailout of GM and how much did that cost the taxpayers?
 
Thunder said:
since when do American Conservatives care about unemployment and the misery index?
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Doesn't look so good to me nor the 11% that supported him in 2008 that don't support him now

Labor Force 2011 153186 153246 153406 153421 153693 153421 153228 153594 154017 154198 153883

UE 2011 w/o DW-U-3 9.05% 8.92% 8.83% 8.96% 9.05% 9.18% 9.09% 9.09% 9.08% 9.01% 8.64%

UE 2011 with DW 9.70% 9.59% 9.43% 9.60% 9.59% 9.82% 9.82% 9.73% 9.76% 9.64% 9.36%

2011 U-6 rate % 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.5 16.2 15.6
 
Conservative said:
of course that is what you would say because you haven't been told the entire story but GM dealerships closed, parts stores closed and bond holders got killed by the bailout. Just goes to show that you only pay attention to what you want to hear...
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see, now you're just projecting. You claim that Obama has shown no leadership, but you ignore the facts that counter this, 100%.
 
Thunder said:
see, now you're just projecting. You claim that Obama has shown no leadership, but you ignore the facts that counter this, 100%.
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Leaders take responsibility and never blame someone else. you don't seem to understand leadership or personal responsibility.
 
Conservative said:
Leaders take responsibility and never blame someone else. you don't seem to understand leadership or personal responsibility.
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Obama made the hard choice to send in Seal Team 6, to kill OBL..knowing the incredible risks to the team, our relations with Pakistan, and even to his own legacy.

that took courage. that shows leadership. and you choose to deny this due to your incredible bias and hatred for Obama.
 
Conservative said:
He has been in the office for 3 years now and has shown zero leadership skills. leaders don't blame others which is all he does. Being in office hasn't created any skills at all. he sill blames everyone else and takes credit for what he hasn't done. His numbers speak for themselves.
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'He has been in the office for 3 years now'.... is the only part of your post that states any fact...the rest, is your opinion.
 
randel said:
'He has been in the office for 3 years now'.... is the only part of your post that states any fact...the rest, is your opinion.
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The numbers speak for themselves

Debt

11/30/2011 15,110,498,560,876.70
9/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.70
9/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.70
1/21/2009 10,625,053,544,309.70
9/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.40

Unemployment and labor force

2009 154185 154424 154100 154453 154805 154754 154457 154362 153940 154022 153795
Labor Force 2011 153186 153246 153406 153421 153693 153421 153228 153594 154017 154198 153883

UE 2011 w/o DW-U-3 9.05% 8.92% 8.83% 8.96% 9.05% 9.18% 9.09% 9.09% 9.08% 9.01% 8.64%

UE 2011 with DW 9.70% 9.59% 9.43% 9.60% 9.59% 9.82% 9.82% 9.73% 9.76% 9.64% 9.36%

2011 U-6 rate % 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.5 16.2 15.6

Misery Index by month

The United States Misery Index By Year
 
Thunder said:
Obama made the hard choice to send in Seal Team 6, to kill OBL..knowing the incredible risks to the team, our relations with Pakistan, and even to his own legacy.

that took courage. that shows leadership. and you choose to deny this due to your incredible bias and hatred for Obama.
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I have absolutely no hatred for Obama personally, just his policies which have generated the economic results that you want to ignore. The only accomplishment you can site is the killing of Bin Laden and that hasn't helped the Middle East at all nor prevented Iran from getting a nuclear weapon or strengthened the U.S. position in the world. It was an opportunity lost
 
Thunder said:
oh, he has learned quite a lot over the last three years. Mostly that the GOP cares more about getting him out of office than helping the country.
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quoted for truth
 
pbrauer said:
21 straight months of private sector growth. March 2010 - Present


Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the
Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
1-Month Net Change
Series Id:CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total private
Industry:Total private
NAICS Code:-
Data Type:ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years:2009 to 2011


YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2009-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010-42-21144229486593110109143128167
201194261219241997517372220117140
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good job on the chart pete
 
Thunder said:
forgive me for saying so, but your many hateful posts against him suggest otherwise.
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Results matter whereas you buy the rhetoric. it isn't personal against obama, it is his policies and his divisive rhetoric that matters.
 
randel said:
good job on the chart pete
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140,000 jobs gained in a month where 315,000 dropped out of the labor force thus creating another net job loss which you want to ignore. Any sign of a positive to you is trumpeted yet like far too many you cannot explain why with what you perceive as good numbers is he losing support from the people that supported him in 2008? you see, the bottomline matters more than your perception and the bottomline shows a net job loss, declining labor force, and higher misery index
 
Thunder said:
ironic posts...are ironic.
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so you are saying that Obama rhetoric hasn't been devisive? what do you call it when you demonize someone who has earned their income, is paying part of the 38% of income taxes currently being collected and calling them not paying their fair share?
 
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