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[dontworrybehappy]

For all of those on here who kept touting the electric car as the car of the future, they seem to have a little issue. A 40k dollar car that catches fire quite easily after a crash. Car fires seem less frequent in just about all models of fuel-burning vehicles in modern day. What happened???

New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation | Fox News

 

[MaggieD]

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For all of those on here who kept touting the electric car as the car of the future, they seem to have a little issue. A 40k dollar car that catches fire quite easily after a crash. Car fires seem less frequent in just about all models of fuel-burning vehicles in modern day. What happened???

New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation | Fox News

That does it.

Electric cars suck wind. What a bunch of bozos pursuing a technology that's so obviously unsafe. I can't believe our government is actually offering a rebate on them. Somebody's getting rich off this -- and I can absolutely assure you it's not my side. Jerks.

Oh, wait:

Ford Pinto: Critics alleged that the vehicle's lack of reinforcing structure between the rear panel and the tank meant the tank would be pushed forward and punctured by the protruding bolts of the differential[16] — making the car less safe than its contemporaries.

Hold on . . .

Toyota Recall 2010: More Than 2 Million Cars Recalled Due To Gas Pedals Issue

Whoa!!!!

Automobile recalls in 2010 numbered about 20 million

Read more: Automobile recalls in 2010 numbered about 20 million

It's quite obvious to me that automobiles are inherently unsafe. For all of those who touted automobiles as the next best thing to sliced bread, it would seem they have issues. Let's outlaw 'em!

 

[1Perry]

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Indeed that Volt's are not perfect out of the box is not a legitimate arguement against electric cars. All the arguements that it's not a job for the government still are valid though.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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If we ever achieve a certain necessary breakthrough in battery technology, then I expect to see the internal combustion engine become obsolete. A pure electric car is much more efficient than a gasoline-powered one, and at least in theory, can be simpler, more durable, and more reliable.

The big problem is the battery. In terms of how much energy can be stored in a given weight and volume, we don't have any battery technology that comes anywhere close to gasoline.

My forklift is electric. Its battery weights about 3500 pounds—more than most cars. I've calculated that this battery's energy capacity is about equal to about a gallon and a third of gasoline. And when run down, it takes hours to fully recharge it. Imagine trying to travel using a car that only carried a gallon and a third of gasoline, and took hours to refuel.

The Volt is a way to compromise. A battery to get you as far as it can go on that, and a gasoline-fueled engine to take you anywhere beyond that. But we'll never enjoy the full benefits of an electric car until we have one that can achieve a usable range without having to carry a separate internal-combustion-powered drive train as the Volt does.

 

[Helix]

Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

For all of those on here who kept touting the electric car as the car of the future, they seem to have a little issue. A 40k dollar car that catches fire quite easily after a crash. Car fires seem less frequent in just about all models of fuel-burning vehicles in modern day. What happened???

New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation | Fox News

what happened in the 1970s when, nearly a century into gasoline-powered automobile technology, Pintos began exploding during and after accidents?

was it :

a. a design flaw in that particular model
or
b. an indictment of all internal combustion technology, with the only logical response being the abandonment of gasoline powered vehicles

?

 

[Omgitsme]

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For all of those on here who kept touting the electric car as the car of the future, they seem to have a little issue. A 40k dollar car that catches fire quite easily after a crash. Car fires seem less frequent in just about all models of fuel-burning vehicles in modern day. What happened???

New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation | Fox News

Could be worse. The Ferrari 458 catches fire if you drive it fast on a hot day. But anyways the electric car isnt the future. Hydrogen powered cars are.

 

[Grant]

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For all of those on here who kept touting the electric car as the car of the future, they seem to have a little issue. A 40k dollar car that catches fire quite easily after a crash. Car fires seem less frequent in just about all models of fuel-burning vehicles in modern day. What happened???

New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation | Fox News

So what's a used Chevy Volt selling for these days?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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But anyways the electric car isnt the future. Hydrogen powered cars are.

I disagree. I think hydrogen is something that isn't ever going to come close to living up to all the hype.

It's very difficult to store any useful amount of hydrogen, and I do not see any reason to think that this will change any time soon.

It also takes more energy to produce hydrogen than you get back by burning it.

That's really what makes petroleum so valuable, and why it will be very difficult to replace. We expend a huge amount of money, time, labor, energy, and other resources to obtain petroleum and to process it into various fuels. But once we have done that, we get enough energy out of burning it to make it worth much more than it cost us to obtain and process. This will never be true of hydrogen. Hydrogen will always require us to put more energy into obtaining it than we can get by burning it.

 

[apdst]

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I can't wait to buy one of these over-priced pieces of crap. How much has this car cost the taxpayers, so far?

 

[Omgitsme]

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I disagree. I think hydrogen is something that isn't ever going to come close to living up to all the hype.

It's very difficult to store any useful amount of hydrogen, and I do not see any reason to think that this will change any time soon.

It also takes more energy to produce hydrogen than you get back by burning it.

That's really what makes petroleum so valuable, and why it will be very difficult to replace. We expend a huge amount of money, time, labor, energy, and other resources to obtain petroleum and to process it into various fuels. But once we have done that, we get enough energy out of burning it to make it worth much more than it cost us to obtain and process. This will never be true of hydrogen. Hydrogen will always require us to put more energy into obtaining it than we can get by burning it.

It is difficult to store however they have managed to find a way to do it in California. They have hydrogen fueling stations there already.

Yes a hydrogen internal combustion engine isnt all that efficient but a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is 100-200% more efficient then a gasoline ICE.

 

[AdamT]

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A lot of big companies are using natural gas and hydrogen to fuel their commercial fleets. It makes good sense if you have the infrastructure to support it.

 

[whysoserious]

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Wow, you guys are crazy. You'll look for any reason to hate a product that goes against your ideology, eh? Did you guys want to quit gas engines when Toyota's cars began having their accelerators stick? Probably not, because that's ****ing retarded.

Look at yourselves.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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Remember guys it also runs on gas.....



Soo going by your knowledge sense the car also takes gas couldnt it be logical that i can blame the problem on gas?

 

[Omgitsme]

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Wow, you guys are crazy. You'll look for any reason to hate a product that goes against your ideology, eh? Did you guys want to quit gas engines when Toyota's cars began having their accelerators stick? Probably not, because that's ****ing retarded.

Look at yourselves.

Toyota wasnt at fault in that case. In almost every case the driver hit the wrong pedal. And a car magazine did a test to see how the brakes work in a car with the gas floored and it stopped in a reasonable distance every time except with the Mustang GT500 but then again that car has almost 500 hp.

 

[whysoserious]

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Toyota wasnt at fault in that case. In almost every case the driver hit the wrong pedal. And a car magazine did a test to see how the brakes work in a car with the gas floored and it stopped in a reasonable distance every time except with the Mustang GT500 but then again that car has almost 500 hp.

Uhh, I am not sure that's true. They don't issue recalls for human error. Much like Fight Club points out, there are actually plenty of actuarial decisions made when deciding to do recalls, but I don't think human error is involved in them.

 

[StillBallin75]

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That does it.

Electric cars suck wind. What a bunch of bozos pursuing a technology that's so obviously unsafe. I can't believe our government is actually offering a rebate on them. Somebody's getting rich off this -- and I can absolutely assure you it's not my side. Jerks.

Oh, wait:



Hold on . . .



Whoa!!!!



It's quite obvious to me that automobiles are inherently unsafe. For all of those who touted automobiles as the next best thing to sliced bread, it would seem they have issues. Let's outlaw 'em!

LOL Maggie! At first I was like "Is she serious"? Then I realized what you were doing. I got a good laugh out of it, thanks

 

[StillBallin75]

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Remember guys it also runs on gas.....



Soo going by your knowledge sense the car also takes gas couldnt it be logical that i can blame the problem on gas?

I am positively sick of that commercial.

 

[whysoserious]

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LOL Maggie! At first I was like "Is she serious"? Then I realized what you were doing. I got a good laugh out of it, thanks

Her post actually pissed me off so much that I didn't finish it. If it wasn't for you, I would have never seen how reasonable she was actually being.

Now if only the rest of them would learn from her logic...

I am positively sick of that commercial.

I would punch every person who said, "but I thought that car is electric" in the face if I was that guy.

 

[Omgitsme]

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Uhh, I am not sure that's true. They don't issue recalls for human error. Much like Fight Club points out, there are actually plenty of actuarial decisions made when deciding to do recalls, but I don't think human error is involved in them.

A couple of examples were due to the floor mat hitting the accelerator pedal.

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat

However most were due to the driver hitting the wrong pedal.

Driver Error to Blame in Most of Toyota’s “Unintended Acceleration” Cases: Report | AutoGuide.com News

NASA clears Toyota of 'electronics flaws' in sudden acceleration cases - latimes.com

Edit...I was slightly wrong. It wasnt a GT500 that they used it was a Roush Stage 3 Mustang. But I was right about the results.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration

 

[StillBallin75]

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Her post actually pissed me off so much that I didn't finish it. If it wasn't for you, I would have never seen how reasonable she was actually being.

Now if only the rest of them would learn from her logic...



I would punch every person who said, "but I thought that car is electric" in the face if I was that guy.

I would just man up and admit that I needed to take a piss if I were that guy.

 

[whysoserious]

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A couple of examples were due to the floor mat hitting the accelerator pedal.

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat

However most were due to the driver hitting the wrong pedal.

Driver Error to Blame in Most of Toyota’s “Unintended Acceleration” Cases: Report | AutoGuide.com News

NASA clears Toyota of 'electronics flaws' in sudden acceleration cases - latimes.com

What's your point? As you have shown, some of Toyota's cars accelerated for no reason - i.e. vehicle error.

 

[Omgitsme]

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What's your point? As you have shown, some of Toyota's cars accelerated for no reason - other than vehicle error.

Take a look again at the link. It even says in most cases driver error to blame.

Driver Error to Blame in Most of Toyota’s “Unintended Acceleration” Cases: Report | AutoGuide.com News

Edit: BTW I edited my 2nd to last post to include a link showing test results of simply using the brakes when your throttle is stuck open.

 

[whysoserious]

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Take a look again at the link. It even says in most cases driver error to blame.

Driver Error to Blame in Most of Toyota’s “Unintended Acceleration” Cases: Report | AutoGuide.com News

Edit: BTW I edited my 2nd to last post to include a link showing test results of simply using the brakes when your throttle is stuck open.

MOST. Not all. Now read your first:

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat

According to a report from The Safety Record, on December 29, 2009, the driver of a 2007 Toyota Avalon experienced a bizarre case of sudden and unintended acceleration while driving on the highway, just miles from a local Toyota dealer. The driver managed to switch the vehicle between Neutral and Drive multiple times, while en route to the dealer in order to show the dealer the problem as it was still occurring.

I am not sure why you posted that, since it goes against everything you are arguing, but thanks.

 

[Omgitsme]

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MOST. Not all. Now read your first:

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat


I am not sure why you posted that, since it goes against everything you are arguing, but thanks.

Yes unfortunetly I read the title wrong on that one. However that is only one instance out of 58.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

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Vehicles can be dangerous - anything with a fuel source the involves heat via ignition, compression or chemical reaction has the potential for catching something else on fire etc etc etc.

It's just par for the course - shouldn't be an astounding negative.