Iran says arrests 12 CIA agents amid reports of compromised U.S. ring

apdst said:

Thank you Wikileaks!

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Are you saying that Wikileaks provided the Iranian Intelligence Ministry the information that led to this spy ring being broken up? If so, do you have a source?

Antiderivative said:

Are you saying that Wikileaks provided the Iranian Intelligence Ministry the information that led to this spy ring being broken up? If so, do you have a source?

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I'm saying it's possible.

Tashah said:

Apparently, they were indeed paid foreign informants for the CIA. It's very difficult to cultivate/maintain spy operations against Iran and Hezbollah. I tend to think these rings were low-middle echelon operations, but any loss of indigenous operatives is a definite intelligence setback.

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Thank you, like I said it's a massive screwup.

apdst said:

I'm saying it's possible.

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You thank people or groups for something its possible to do? Normally when you thank someone its for something they do, you know "Hey thanks for helping me move" as opposed to "Hey thanks for it being possible you may help me move." Sounds like you were placing blame for no other reason than its an convenient time to bash something you don't like, facts and reality be damned!

That being said, I doubt you can blame Obama for this its not something the President personally manages, heck there may be nobody to blame at all. Maybe their handlers at the CIA and planners did the most rationale and smart move for the information they had, but it didn't work out because they were missing some information. Who knows, lets not jump to conclusions.

Tashah said:

CIA Spies Caught, Fear Execution in Middle East - ABC News

Indigenous nationals. Pretty much what I suspected. They will be tortured and executed.

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No, GWTortureForLunch was a US presidunce, not Iranian. It's not torture and any deaths from enhanced interrogations are results of detainee suicides or self inflicted wounds. Knives in the back, etc. Well, anyway, I just mean torture and execution have been standard USA policy since the world's second place in executions leader showed us how to do it.

Wiseone said:

You thank people or groups for something its possible to do? Normally when you thank someone its for something they do, you know "Hey thanks for helping me move" as opposed to "Hey thanks for it being possible you may help me move." Sounds like you were placing blame for no other reason than its an convenient time to bash something you don't like, facts and reality be damned!

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It was sarcasm, El-Tee.

That being said, I doubt you can blame Obama for this its not something the President personally manages, heck there may be nobody to blame at all. Maybe their handlers at the CIA and planners did the most rationale and smart move for the information they had, but it didn't work out because they were missing some information. Who knows, lets not jump to conclusions.

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If someone in your platoon gets killed in a training accident, is the battalion commander free from any and all responsibility? Or, is he held just as accountable, because it happened under his command? Have you been in the service long enough to see a BC get relieved, on the spot, because of something that happened at platoon level?

Tashah said:

Sounds like typical Iranian-speak. Translated...We have arrested 12 Iranians. We will clarify/alter the reasons for these arrests as we see fit. For now, arresting them as CIA/Mossad spies will suffice and allows us to put the screws to them in Evan prison. Confessions will undoubtedly be forthcoming. All praise to Allah, who protects the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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i hear it as them saying that we inflicted the shah and savak on them and they are not going to allow that to happen again
from the iranian perspective, that would be wise



and while Obama was not directing this himself, his appointee, leon panetta, may have facilitated this screw up. shortly after this was exposed, leon was promoted out of trouble
beware what happens at DoD on his watch. it will not be pretty. it will be pretty expensive

Jetboogieman said:

Well ah, why don't we wait for more info before taking the Iranian official at his word.

The last US "spies" were a couple of hikers.

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I would have to say that the last US spies were allegedly hikers.

apdst said:

It was sarcasm, El-Tee.



If someone in your platoon gets killed in a training accident, is the battalion commander free from any and all responsibility? Or, is he held just as accountable, because it happened under his command? Have you been in the service long enough to see a BC get relieved, on the spot, because of something that happened at platoon level?

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It depends entirely upon what exactly happened and a lot of small details to determine if the BC was negligent or lacking in any way. For example if the S3 put together an inherently and unnecessarily dangerous training program and the BC signed off on it, then as PLT leader I executed it exactly to standard the BC and S3 may be found responsible. Or perhaps the investigating officer will find that the dangerous was clear enough and able to be avoided and therefore I should have made a different decision as the lowest level leadership. Or perhaps he'll say even my level of training and experience I could not be expected to notice the inherent danger. It all depends on exactly what happened and a lot of little details.

When I was a cadet there was a suicide in our company, a particularity public and gruesome one, one of the cadets had hung himself on the land-nav course with his LBV and some 550-cord. Now there was an investigation and in the end no one was found negligent in their duties, because they had followed their suicide prevention training to a tee, briefed the Soldiers frequently about it, had a chaplain on scene during this training, issued all Soldiers the ACE cards, etc etc and some sure some other things I didn't even know were going on.

DaveFagan said:

No, GWTortureForLunch was a US presidunce, not Iranian. It's not torture and any deaths from enhanced interrogations are results of detainee suicides or self inflicted wounds. Knives in the back, etc. Well, anyway, I just mean torture and execution have been standard USA policy since the world's second place in executions leader showed us how to do it.

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then you should tell your boy Obama, because he continues the renditions.


j-mac

Until this can be confirmed in more meaningful detail, I take it with a grain of salt. I do believe though that the U.S. and Israel are trying hard to concoct a pretext for war with Iran and we will see the results of that in the coming years.

Temporal said:

Until this can be confirmed in more meaningful detail, I take it with a grain of salt. I do believe though that the U.S. and Israel are trying hard to concoct a pretext for war with Iran and we will see the results of that in the coming years.

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doh, here it comes....blame dem joooos.


j-mac

justabubba said:

i hear it as them saying that we inflicted the shah and savak on them and they are not going to allow that to happen again
from the iranian perspective, that would be wise

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From the Iranian perspective?

Does that include the Iranian people or is it just the opinion of the religious crazies who now run the country?

Temporal said:

Until this can be confirmed in more meaningful detail, I take it with a grain of salt. I do believe though that the U.S. and Israel are trying hard to concoct a pretext for war with Iran and we will see the results of that in the coming years.

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Yes, it's not wise to trust the Americans under the present administration. It's been clear for quite some time that Barrack Obama wants to nuke Iran.

Grant said:

From the Iranian perspective?

Does that include the Iranian people or is it just the opinion of the religious crazies who now run the country?

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when we observe that the uprising against the USA installed and supported shah of iran and his hated savak was widespread, it is no reach to conclude that it is the iranian people who opposed that repressive dictator
unfortunately, when an enemy of my enemy is my friend, the fundies or iran assumed power in the vacuum of the shah's overthrow
we can see that the fundies in control of iran's government have little public support, in a way not unlike when the fundies in control of the USA government had little public support
the difference is, we were able to hold elections to rid ourselves of our own religious zealots who were in power

I think this is the real deal, because D.C. has totally clammed up and frowny faces are grim. A lack of decent vetting of CIA assets, it appears, because each spy group had been infiltrated by double agents, allowing both Tehran and Hezbollah to monitor and discover who the spies were and how to locate them in order to coordinate a sweep that netted them all at the same time.

This really is grim news. Those people will never been seen alive again.

Edited to add my dismay that posters are either shrugging this off, or trying to put a partisian spin on it. **** happens, dammit, and if these news articles are correct, people will probably be tortured until they are of no use, then killed. That's a damned site more important than partisian protection and finger-wagging.

justabubba said:

when we observe that the uprising against the USA installed and supported shah of iran and his hated savak was widespread, it is no reach to conclude that it is the iranian people who opposed that repressive dictator
unfortunately, when an enemy of my enemy is my friend, the fundies or iran assumed power in the vacuum of the shah's overthrow
we can see that the fundies in control of iran's government have little public support, in a way not unlike when the fundies in control of the USA government had little public support
the difference is, we were able to hold elections to rid ourselves of our own religious zealots who were in power

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So you feel qualified to speak for the Iranian people? In fact there was far more progress under the Shah than there has been ever since his overthrow, he was an ally pf the West, and of course we are now looking at Iran possibly having nuclear weapons.

You feel that American Christians are comparable with the Islamic Iranian fundamentalists?? That's quite remarkable.

Originally Posted by DaveFagan
No, GWTortureForLunch was a US presidunce, not Iranian. It's not torture and any deaths from enhanced interrogations are results of detainee suicides or self inflicted wounds. Knives in the back, etc. Well, anyway, I just mean torture and execution have been standard USA policy since the world's second place in executions leader showed us how to do it.

j-mac said:

then you should tell your boy Obama, because he continues the renditions.


j-mac

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Hot damn mon, youse forgot your link . Excuse me but did you find that nugget in your nose or the crack of your morning sunrise? Please name on individual renditioned by Obama, thank you.

RE OP: Good heavens - an entire ring brought down? I think the word 'lazy' doesn't go far enough.

Unfortunate: but it's not like being a spy is advertised as a safe job or something.