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Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Your right someone may have been disorderly, considered the same as a traffic ticket. Maybe they should have issued some tickets. BUT NOPE! Law Enforcement breaks the laws on felony levels, did any of them get arrested?

I'll ask you one more time... Please tell me in your opinion, exactly what the police should have done to enforce the law in this situation?
 
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And you think that the protesters would have willingly allowed this?

Yes. Even after being pepper sprayed without provocation the protesters were completely docile and did not resist. That is further proof that you are wrong. Now please stop talking to me. You are a horrible human being and a liar and I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you when it is apparent that you have no interest in truth or humanity.

The use of pepper spray succeeded in dispersing the protesters without bloodshed, without a physical altercation between police and protesters breaking out, and without any serious criminal charges being filed against anyone. I would say that the use of physical, brute force removal as you suggest, wouldn't have such a peaceful outcome.

People had to be hospitalized because of the pepper spraying. Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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And you think that the protesters would have willingly allowed this? If you look at the video, you will see that they locked arms and made their wrists unaccessible. Did it occur to you, such action would have resulted in a lot of physical injury (as opposed to temporary irritation with pepper spray), with a high potential of a physical altercation between police and protesters breaking out? Such altercations often lead to felony assault charges being filed, while the use of pepper spray only resulted in misdemeanor charges. You are also assuming that the police had the man power to physically move all those students locked in arm like they were. Based on what I saw, that didn't look very likely.

The use of pepper spray succeeded in dispersing the protesters without bloodshed, without a physical altercation between police and protesters breaking out, and without any serious criminal charges being filed against anyone. I would say that the use of physical, brute force removal as you suggest, wouldn't have such a peaceful outcome.

So nonviolent acts of protests are now signs that violence could ensue? What is less violent than sitting down and holding hands/locking arms? Did you really just construe that as threatening?

Trolololloollolllol.
 
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And you think that the protesters would have willingly allowed this? If you look at the video, you will see that they locked arms and made their wrists unaccessible. Did it occur to you, such action would have resulted in a lot of physical injury (as opposed to temporary irritation with pepper spray), with a high potential of a physical altercation between police and protesters breaking out? Such altercations often lead to felony assault charges being filed, while the use of pepper spray only resulted in misdemeanor charges. You are also assuming that the police had the man power to physically move all those students locked in arm like they were. Based on what I saw, that didn't look very likely.

The use of pepper spray succeeded in dispersing the protesters without bloodshed, without a physical altercation between police and protesters breaking out, and without any serious criminal charges being filed against anyone. I would say that the use of physical, brute force removal as you suggest, wouldn't have such a peaceful outcome.

Why not then just leave them be? Let them have their peaceful assembly and protest and avoid questionable police tactics and government force against the free exercise of rights by the individual all together? It seems that there's a lot of excuse for police intervention and everyone is saying "well their arms were interlinked, so it's reasonable to have the cops use greater force". Well why isn't it reasonable to just allow them the exercise of their rights instead?
 
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By the way, you hypocrites keep citing the law, but continue to ignore that I have shown multiple times that an appellate court has found this reaction towards peaceful protest to be unlawful!
 
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By the way, you hypocrites keep citing the law, but continue to ignore that I have shown multiple times that an appellate court has found this reaction towards peaceful protest to be unlawful!

Because they are criminal thinkers. They are using criminal thinking to rationalize the criminal behaviors of others. They are no better.
 
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I'll ask you one more time... Please tell me in your opinion, exactly what the police should have done to enforce the law in this situation?

Ok one more time...

Our department doesn't deal with civil issues! Please use the courts if you want something done further and went home.

Your right someone may have been disorderly, considered the same as a traffic ticket. Maybe they should have issued some tickets. BUT NOPE! Law Enforcement breaks the laws on felony levels, did any of them get arrested?
 
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Resistance would be escalation and appropriate force could be used.

And, would we still see the hand-wringers crying about police brutality.
 
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And, would we still see the hand-wringers crying about police brutality.

And once again we see apdst trolling, but I'll probably get thread-banned again for pointing it out. Welcome to the thread, apdst. Care to add anything?
 
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Yes. Even after being pepper sprayed without provocation the protesters were completely docile and did not resist. That is further proof that you are wrong. Now please stop talking to me. You are a horrible human being and a liar and I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you when it is apparent that you have no interest in truth or humanity.



People had to be hospitalized because of the pepper spraying. Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh, because they were docile AFTER being pepper sprayed??? LMAO

Here's a little incite for you... Resisting police as they did, IS NOT DOCILE.

Here's what you would have rather seen:

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And, would we still see the hand-wringers crying about police brutality.

I seriously doubt it. But if it makes you feel better to believe so then go ahead.
 
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Dude, I presented a court case where they used metal bars to interlock themselves and even in that case it was found to be unreasonable for the cops to spray with mace. In fact, according to the appellate court, they believe you would have to be an unreasonable person to condone such activity. Their words, not mine. I bolded them for you in the post right about this one.

Ok, and this case would have to be adjudicated in order for the situation to be cleared up. Situations are often different, and likely open to interpenetration by the courts.

However, if you are saying that you'd rather have had the potential of injury, to either the protester, or law enforcement officers by physically trying to drag them apart and arrest them, I can't understand why you would want such a confrontation, other than to make hay out of any action by the police.

j-mac
 
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The fact that protesters were violating the law, is not in dispute... So I ask again, please tell me in your opinion, exactly what the police should have done to enforce the law in this situation?

The fact that Rosa Parks was violating the law was not in dispute, so that doesn't get you out of what you think should have been done to her.

Why are you so in favor of government telling you when, where and how you can enact your first amendment rights?

Do you believe mild chemical weapons should be used every time someone does something the government doesn't want them to do - even if said violation is of a minor offense (disorderly conduct)?

I have caught pepper spray second-hand once when a store I worked at was being robbed (unarmed). It's pretty ****ing awful and took about three hours before I could see and breathe properly again and I was about six feet away from the robber.

By the way, he was unarmed, but he was trying to knock down the security officer who ended up spraying him - in other words there was an ACTUAL threat of and attempt to use violence against a police officer. He wasn't sitting on the ground with his arms locked.
 
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I'm not talking to someone dishonest like you. Please refrain from commenting on my posts. Once you learn to stop misrepresenting facts and using criminal thinking to rationalize the officer's excessive use of force and escalation of the situation, I will be happy to converse with you.

I'll respond to anything I wish thank you. I own this keyboard, not you.

Thanks.

j-mac
 
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Oh, because they were docile AFTER being pepper sprayed??? LMAO

They were docile in spite of being pepper sprayed. You are now on ignore. I am sick of listening to your pratter. I am quite certain the police could have shot each of the protesters in the head, and as long as the officer gave them warning ahead of time that he would do it if they didn't leave, you would have felt it was justified.
 
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Oh, because they were docile AFTER being pepper sprayed??? LMAO

Here's a little incite for you... Resisting police as they did, IS NOT DOCILE.

Here's what you would have rather seen:

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That's fine, just ignore that law and the views of the appellate court.

**** THE LAW...

Not an option.

It's the law not to pepper spray nonviolent protesters.
 
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Ok, and this case would have to be adjudicated in order for the situation to be cleared up. Situations are often different, and likely open to interpenetration by the courts.

However, if you are saying that you'd rather have had the potential of injury, to either the protester, or law enforcement officers by physically trying to drag them apart and arrest them, I can't understand why you would want such a confrontation, other than to make hay out of any action by the police.

j-mac

DING DING DING...

We Have A Winner!
 
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Oh, because they were docile AFTER being pepper sprayed??? LMAO

Here's a little incite for you... Resisting police as they did, IS NOT DOCILE.

Here's what you would have rather seen:

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Are these pictures cherry picked from other incidents? Can I please see the source of these pictures from the original source?
If so this is on what happened at UC Berkley.
 
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Are these pictures cherry picked from other incidents? Can I please see the source of these pictures from the original source?
If so this is on what happened at UC Davis.

OMG... I'll leave it at that.
 
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Ok, and this case would have to be adjudicated in order for the situation to be cleared up. Situations are often different, and likely open to interpenetration by the courts.

However, if you are saying that you'd rather have had the potential of injury, to either the protester, or law enforcement officers by physically trying to drag them apart and arrest them, I can't understand why you would want such a confrontation, other than to make hay out of any action by the police.

j-mac

Dude...they did physically drag them apart and they did cause physical injury to the protesters. Some had to be hospitalized because of the pepper spraying.
 
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DING DING DING...

We Have A Winner!

It's good to know that you and j-mac support Rosa Parks being sprayed in the face by pepper spray. Great individuals you are.
 
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Dude...they did physically drag them apart and they did cause physical injury to the protesters. Some had to be hospitalized because of the pepper spraying.

Temporary eye discomfort is a better alternative than broken bones and the possibility of permanant physical disability...
 
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They were docile in spite of being pepper sprayed. You are now on ignore. I am sick of listening to your pratter. I am quite certain the police could have shot each of the protesters in the head, and as long as the officer gave them warning ahead of time that he would do it if they didn't leave, you would have felt it was justified.



:stop: Just stop it already....You are now moving into revealing your young age. people disagree, and because you disagree with another's opinion you place them on 'ignore'....??? :2bigcry::bon_voyag


j-mac
 
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OMG... I'll leave it at that.

Your Original post claim that they are from what happened at UC Berkley sorry been reading lots today yet can I get the sources, they look like you googled riots and posted what ever picture could help you cause. I just want the original sources. Stay intelleginet and provide your claim thats simple not hard. just layout the sources the pictures came from.

I asked several ways to get the sources, so not to confuse you with my perry opps moment of UC Davis, I will edit to reflect on top to be accurate, just so I can get an accurate source in return thanks!
 
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