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New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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The poll showed that 58 percent of respondents believe Walker should be recalled from office. That compares with 47 percent who said in April that he should be recalled.

The growth in support for a recall came, surprisingly, from Republicans. In the spring, only 7 percent of Republicans supported recalling Walker but that grew to 24 percent in the fall. Support among Democrats held mainly steady at 88 percent in the spring and 92 percent in the fall.

Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

Article is here.
 
Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

Article is here.

Please change your lean to Liberal.
 
Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

Article is here.

Statues of gold should be built in his honor.

The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.
 
Statues of gold should be built in his honor.

The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.

Certainly the public unions that he's reined in. Couldn't agree more.
 
What I like best about that article, is that the change in support for a recall is largely attributed, according to the article, to people that are less educated then the rest of the poll respondents. The dummys have spoken!

Anyway, I still have to imagine that with all the positive changes in WI, the recall of the governor will fail. With all the money unions are going to spend over there, I could be wrong, though.
 
maybe we should handle it like a business : lay him off, and rehire him as an independent contractor for minimum wage / no benefits. i'm sure he'll support that move one hundred percent.
 
maybe we should handle it like a business : lay him off, and rehire him as an independent contractor for minimum wage / no benefits. i'm sure he'll support that move one hundred percent.

Or handle it like the teacher's in WI were handled. Allow him to retire with full benefits. Then hire him back at the same salary. Yes, just another screwing of the WI tax payers.
 
Or handle it like the teacher's in WI were handled. Allow him to retire with full benefits. Then hire him back at the same salary. Yes, just another screwing of the WI tax payers.

More right wing lies. The teachers are covered by the Wisconsin Retirement System which allows a retiree to be rehired for full employment. The pension benefit is suspended during the new term of employment and additional information is collected to update maximum salary and length of employment duration statistics.
 
Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

Article is here.
I approve of this. He's a fool and fools should be recalled.
 
More right wing lies. The teachers are covered by the Wisconsin Retirement System which allows a retiree to be rehired for full employment. The pension benefit is suspended during the new term of employment and additional information is collected to update maximum salary and length of employment duration statistics.

Really?

Recently a Patriot mentioned to me that New Berlin WI teachers are retiring and then getting rehired by the New Berlin School District. They are allegedly retiring because of Gov. Walker’s “gutting” of their collective bargaining rights. Supposedly, they are afraid they will lose pension and health benefits under the Walker administration, and their benefits will cost them more. The Patriot suggested that this could not possibly be true and asked me to look into it. And so I did. Here’s the truth.The practice is common, is not limited to New Berlin, is not limited to WI, and is not limited to teachers. It is happening in almost every state and involves all types of government workers and has been going on for years.

In Wisconsin there was a 92% increase in public employees retiring over the same period last year. The most cited reason for “early retirement” was “to avoid paying more for health and retirement benefits.” Last year 841 WI public employees, including teachers and administrators, retired and were immediately rehired – double-dipping to the max.

Baltimore, Maryland – 13 principals retired one day with full retirement benefits and were rehired the next day earning full wages and benefits.

Deer Park, Ohio – 4 teachers and administrators retired with full retirement benefits and were rehired to next day earning full wages and benefits.

Fort Kent, Maine – superintendant retires and gets rehired the next day citing changes to the state’s retirement system as his reason for “retiring.”

Salon, Ohio – 12 teachers retire one day, are rehired the next day, but thanks to Ohio State Teacher Retirement rules, these new “rehires” cannot start their “rehired” job until Sept. 1 or they would take a hit on their retirement benefits. When Ohio schools started the last week in August, guess how the school district had to fill those 12 classrooms? They had to hire substitute teachers for the first week of the school year. First graders, kindergarteners, special education students, science, social studies, German, Spanish, in all of these classes and more, the students did not meet their “real” teacher until after 9/1. Pardon Me?? A substitute teacher for the entire first week of school? This sounds like “it’s for the kids,” doesn’t it? Of course, this “rule” was negotiated by the Ohio Teachers’ Union in their contract.

Hartford, CN – A college chancellor retires on day 1 and is retired on day 2, boosting his income by 40%.

Seattle, WA – 2,000 public employees are collecting government wages and government pensions at the same time after retiring and rehiring.

The practice is known as double-dipping and is common practice throughout the country and in all areas of government employment despite some states prohibiting it. While the rules vary from state to state, the states that do say “no” most often do not enforce their own laws against it. The “rehirees” increase their income by anywhere from 25% – 75%, overnight, just by saying “I retire.”

America\\\'s Mrs. Right » Blog Archive » “RETIRE-REHIRE” GREAT GAME IF YOU CAN GET IT!

Don't like this link? How about this one from the Green Bay Press Gazette?

The Wisconsin Assembly’s insurance committee will host a public hearing this month to discuss a practice that allows government workers to collect both paychecks and pensions.

Since 2005, more than 6,000 public workers throughout Wisconsin have retired and been rehired, allowing them to earn salaries plus as much as $70,000 in pensions, according to the state Department of Employee Trust Funds.

Wisconsin state employees' double-dipping to get Assembly committee hearing | Green Bay Press Gazette | greenbaypressgazette.com
 
If you don't like either of her's, here is another - and please note these are just talking about teacher's that retired more then a year ago. This isn't taking into account the numbers that retired after Act10:

Analysis shows hundreds of rehired UW-Madison retirees return for years


More than half of the 447 people UW-Madison rehired after they retired have been on the job for more than one year, the limit set by the university under a new policy last month, according to a State Journal analysis of data provided by the school.

Thirty-eight of them have been working for more than a decade as rehired annuitants, which means they earn both a paycheck and a pension. A handful stayed more than 15 years, and one technician has worked for the last 21 years at 60 percent of full-time, earning $34,975 a year in salary alone, the analysis found.

The new UW-Madison policy states hiring of retired employees is intended for short-term needs only, and the amount of time should be limited to a year, except in special cases. The university is reviewing the employment of each rehired annuitant, except for those under a set contract.

As the state grapples with what to do with retired employees who earn both a salary and a pension, universities are in a unique position.

They sometimes rely on retired faculty with hard-to-replace skills and experience to teach classes or conduct research. Some employees are paid by private or federally funded grants that extend beyond their retirement.
 
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That about the teachers double dipping into retirement and employment is disgusting, but I was already mostly anti-union anyways. I'm still someone who thinks WI would be better off without Walker, since, just as unions are symbols of so much that is wrong with the U.S., Walker is a symbol of so much that is wrong with politics and our government.
 
If you don't like either of her's, here is another - and please note these are just talking about teacher's that retired more then a year ago. This isn't taking into account the numbers that retired after Act10:

Analysis shows hundreds of rehired UW-Madison retirees return for years

:applaud


And there's not one public union supporter who has the nonpartisan cahoonas to step up and say, "Hey...that's not right." Or to say, "Wow...I didn't know that." Or to say, "So that's what Walker's fighting for."
 
:applaud


And there's not one public union supporter who has the nonpartisan cahoonas to step up and say, "Hey...that's not right." Or to say, "Wow...I didn't know that." Or to say, "So that's what Walker's fighting for."

Okay, mea culpa. I stand corrected. And I am one public union supporter will step up and say that it should be corrected.

That said, I will point out that the practice benefits individual school districts insofar as the rehired teachers do not qualify for health coverage. I'll also point out that Walker would exempt his own staffers who are drawing state pensions. :roll:
 
Okay, mea culpa. I stand corrected. And I am one public union supporter will step up and say that it should be corrected.

That said, I will point out that the practice benefits individual school districts insofar as the rehired teachers do not qualify for health coverage. I'll also point out that Walker would exempt his own staffers who are drawing state pensions. :roll:

Nice job. Link for that exception?
 

Adam. Really? This article does not say that Gov. Walker has asked that his staff be exempt. Please try to be fair. What it says is that he isn't going to ask the few of his staff members involved to give up their pensions. The point is, it's legal now. Going forward, Walker is working at making it illegal. No one will give up their pension until and unless the law changes. That'd just be stupid.

Why can't we ever be honest and fair?
 
Looks like 1 out of every 4 Republicans in Wisconsin needs to do the same then. :mrgreen:

No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do. You have no objectivity where unions are concerned. But I love you anyway. ;)
 
No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do. You have no objectivity where unions are concerned. But I love you anyway. ;)
Maybe they are educated and they just don't like it. That you do not leave room for this possibility illustrates your own inability to remain objective with this subjective.
 
Maybe they are educated and they just don't like it. That you do not leave room for this possibility illustrates your own inability to remain objective with this subjective.

To remain objective with this subjective. Well. How should I respond to that? ;) I'm objective. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm subjective. I've done my homework. Walker is trying to clean up a cesspool. He may be recalled. But his goals (albiet maybe not his methods) are noble.
 
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm subjective.
That's the point. You assume those who disagree with you need to be educated. Maybe they don't. Maybe they are educated and they just disagree with you. Or is your opinion the only one a person can arrive to with objectivity?

*note: The "with subjective" at the end of my comment was a typo. I have not idea where that came from.
 
That's the point. You assume those who disagree with you need to be educated. Maybe they don't. Maybe they are educated and they just disagree with you. Or is your opinion the only one a person can arrive to with objectivity?

*note: The "with subjective" at the end of my comment was a typo. I have not idea where that came from.

That post actually came from my discussion with another poster on this thread who said there's no double dipping of public pensions in Wisconsin. After it was well proven to him by several of us, he recanted and said he thought that should be changed. Finally. One public sector union supporter who found out the truth and changed his mind. A rare bird. (Yeah, I know it was a typo...teasing.)
 
That post actually came from my discussion with another poster on this thread who said there's no double dipping of public pensions in Wisconsin.
Yeah, that was you're conversation with AdamT. I'm talking about this post with dan.

No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.

It's wrong because it's presumptuous. People can disagree with you and be educated.
 
It's wrong because it's presumptuous. People can disagree with you and be educated.

From the OP:
Pollster Wendy Scattergood said Republicans who support recalling Walker are younger, have a lower income and are less educated than the rest of the sample in the poll.
 
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