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New poll shows majority support Walker recall

treedancer said:
If overpriced union's health care plan were the case, then why did walker exempt the public safety officer unions?

They have the highest salaries and benneys.how about the tax breaks the koch bros lackey passed soon after his perceived crowning as the badger king.
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The koch brothers passed tax cuts? That should be interesting to see you prove.

Why did he exempt police unions? I can only provide my guess, if Walker has indicated why I don't recall or haven't heard. My guess is that he made the decision for public relation purposes.
 
rocket88 said:
The thing that bugs me about Walker is that the teachers had made the concessions he asked for, but it wasn't good enough. He had to fulfill some sick Con fantasy about busting a Union. He had to get everything his way or get nothing.
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Actually, if you'll recall, not all of the republican's were on board with Walker's/Fitzgerald's plan. The democrats had some bargaining power to at least get some of what they wanted and affect it in some ways.

Instead, with the blessing of the unions, they ran to Illinois. After they did that, some republicans were still willing to vote with them. However, when it became apparent that the dems were just buying time until recalls could be completed, the republicans galvanized and voted for Walker's/Fitzgeral'd plan in its entirety.
 
buck said:
The koch brothers passed tax cuts? That should be interesting to see you prove.

Why did he exempt police unions? I can only provide my guess, if Walker has indicated why I don't recall or haven't heard. My guess is that he made the decision for public relation purposes.
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guess who the " koch bros lackey"is in the badger?Here,s a clue, he,s being recalled.
 
treedancer said:
Why would this be a bad idea?
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Feel free to look back through the thread.

Its always nice when you have an opinion as long as you don't cite it as fact.
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It's an opiinion based on facts. Alot of the unions that recieved extensions prior to Act 10 refuse to reopen the contract and make contributions to pension/health. Even though they "supposedly agreed" to it. Instead, they are more then happy to see other teacher's laid off instead of contribute anything.

According to the states "fiscal bureau" they concluded that Wisconsin isn’t even in need of austerity measures,as a matter of fact they said that the badger could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. Are you sure this isn't just another of your opinions?
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Actually, now I know you are using the debunked talking point started by Ezra Klein and Rachel Maddow. They were in a deficit during the 2009 - 2011 fiscal period. Walker's 200 some million in tax cuts took effect in the 2011-2013 fiscal period, which was projected to be in deficit some 3.x billion dollars even prior to Walker being elected. They were not projected to be in surplus except in the fantasy of some on the left. You can look back through this thread for the specific debunking.
 
treedancer said:
guess who the " koch bros lackey"is in the badger?Here,s a clue, he,s being recalled.
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I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great.
 
buck said:
I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great.
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You could go to Youtube and search for "Scott Walker Koch" and you'd have your answer.

As to why Walker exempted the police union, that's pretty obvious; they supported his campaign. Again, this is all politics -- not economics.
 
buck said:
I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great.
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If the gov won’t talk to the unions and he answers a blind call from whom he perceive as David Koch…yeah,that kinda looks like he’s Koch’s lackey to me.:rock
 
buck said:
Whether you feel that the states were well run or not makes no difference to me. It doesn't change the fact that some sates were having problems with pension obligations even before the recession. The recession simply made it more obvious and more critical.

Public sector union employees, according to some studies are compensated (wage and benefits) at higher levels then similar private sector jobs. Your opinion that they are not means much less then the studies I reviewed.
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Not for similar education levels.
 
AdamT said:
You could go to Youtube and search for "Scott Walker Koch" and you'd have your answer.

As to why Walker exempted the police union, that's pretty obvious; they supported his campaign. Again, this is all politics -- not economics.
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Except most of them didn't support his campaign. The Milwaukee Fire and police unions supported Walker. The much larger statewide unions did not. The amount of misinformation you guys have is just awesome.
 
treedancer said:


If the gov won’t talk to the unions and he answers a blind call from whom he perceive as David Koch…yeah,that kinda looks like he’s Koch’s lackey to me.:rock
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So, where was the evidence that Koch told him what to do in that call and Walker saying you got it? Imaginations can be a good thing, if used properly. Both governor candidates (dem and republican) ran on tax cuts. Koch didn't tell him to do it, despite whats going on in your head.
 
Catawba said:
Not for similar education levels.
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Actually, yes. They looked at education when doing the study. The authors of one of the studies even found that teachers that leave their career and go to the private sector make much less in total compensation and people that leave the private sector to go into teaching make much more in total compensation. Salary was about equal. The largest difference was in benefits. It's one of the reasons that you have not seen a mass exodus of teachers (except for some retirements) to the private sector in WI.
 
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Catawba said:
Buck begs to differ:



As does MrVicchio:
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The **** are you talking about? Do you READ what people say or do you just apply what you want them to mean in your own la-la world?
 
AdamT said:
The fact is that Wisconsin didn't have a budget problem before the recession. As the Republicans like to say -- never let a crisis go to waste....
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Never let facts confuse a "witty" one liner- Lefty playbook, page 5.

First, lets look at the budget problem. The State of Wisconsin has had a structural deficit since days of Tommy Thompson (current issues here ). They are largely the result of large increases to K-12 spending, tougher sentencing laws (map here ), and tax cuts in early 2000. To be sure, there are other factors (such as rising healthcare expenditures) contributing to our current problems. But those three changes were the genesis.While they did occur under a Republican Governor, every Governor since has kicked the can down the road. And now the healthcare expenditures are starting to bite as well. Doyle was the most creative in using temporary tricks and one time money to close the gap. Even raiding a fund we will have to pay back. Andrew Reschovsky discusses efficient tax policy and proposes some tax altering policies which might be used to close the gap. If you are interested in understanding why Wisconsin taxes are higher than other states, read this excellent piece by Todd Berry and Dale Knapp. Higher taxes are in part to fund higher spending, and in part due to less efficient taxing. The reasons for the higher spending are clearly outlined, in the piece but include paving roads no one else paves, K-12 benefits packages, and subsidizing higher education tuition. (although this last one has obviously declined substantially recently).
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A Random Walk: Wisconsin's Budget Problems
 
buck said:
So, where was the evidence that Koch told him what to do in that call and Walker saying you got it? Imaginations can be a good thing, if used properly. Both governor candidates (dem and republican) ran on tax cuts. Koch didn't tell him to do it, despite whats going on in your head.
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You ask in post #155, this question (I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great) in reply to my post calling walker a" koch bros lackey".

So now you’re attempting to move the goalpost with this post. it meets the criteria that YOU MADE. Its real proof and it shows whatta lackey walker is.

And i thought conservative was a ****en hack.:lamo
 
If I remember correctly, the other recalls went swimmingly well. Try again, this time with the Governor.
 
treedancer said:
You ask in post #155, this question (I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great) in reply to my post calling walker a" koch bros lackey".

So now you’re attempting to move the goalpost with this post. it meets the criteria that YOU MADE. Its real proof and it shows whatta lackey walker is.

And i thought conservative was a ****en hack.:lamo
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Anyway, now that you got that off your chest. I'm still waiting for proof that the Koch Bros were responsible for the tax cuts and Walker does what the Koch's tell him to do. Afterall, weren't those the original assertions you made?

I understand that you can't find proof that Walker does everything that the Kochs want him to (which would make Walker a lackey) - that wasn't even close to being proven in the call - so feel you have to lash out.
 
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buck said:
Anyway, now that you got that off your chest. I'm still waiting for proof that the Koch Bros were responsible for the tax cuts and Walker does what the Koch's tell him to do. Afterall, weren't those the original assertions you made?

I understand that you can't find proof that Walker does everything that the Kochs want him to (which would make Walker a lackey) - that wasn't even close to being proven in the call - so feel you have to lash out.
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It seems the citizens of Wisconsin have a more realistic outlook than you. Republican lawmakers lost their seats to recall, and Walker is watchin the skids get greased from his office window.:thumbs:
 
treedancer said:
It seems the citizens of Wisconsin have a more realistic outlook than you. Republican lawmakers lost their seats to recall, and Walker is watchin the skids get greased from his office window.:thumbs:
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If realistic to you means that Walker taking the apparently first call ever from a Koch brother means he's a lacky, I am happy to not be part of your definition.

One of the two that was recalled last go around was involved in personal scandals. The second was in a dem district. What a return on the money and a great victory for unions. haha

I would expect Walker to survive the recall process. Guess we'll have to see how it turns out.
 
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Erod said:
Statues of gold should be built in his honor.

The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.
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Unions have declined in the last 30 years.

Income for everyone but the top 10% of income distribution has declined in the last 30 years.

You do the math.
 
BTW, who has the day off on Thanksgiving but is still going to get paid? Be sure to thank the union movement for that.
 
misterman said:
BTW, who has the day off on Thanksgiving but is still going to get paid? Be sure to thank the union movement for that.
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Not to mention Saturday and Sunday, also known as work days prior to the labor movement.
 
MrVicchio said:
You really don't read well do you?

I posted a break down of the budget problems, you post wacky left wing masterbation material. It's obvious WHAT you are.
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You posted a blog post by some guy no one's ever heard of. Even accepting what he says as true, it does not justify Walkers' actions. Wisconsin, like most states, periodically faces budget shortfalls. In their case it's primarily the result of tax cuts enacted under the last Republican governor. The state has faced bigger shortfalls in the past and managed to get past them without destroying the unions. Clearly they could do the same again.

Wisconsin's Political Crisis Is a Good Deal More Serious Than Its Fiscal Crisis | The Nation
 
AdamT said:
You posted a blog post by some guy no one's ever heard of. Even accepting what he says as true, it does not justify Walkers' actions. Wisconsin, like most states, periodically faces budget shortfalls. In their case it's primarily the result of tax cuts enacted under the last Republican governor. The state has faced bigger shortfalls in the past and managed to get past them without destroying the unions. Clearly they could do the same again.

Wisconsin's Political Crisis Is a Good Deal More Serious Than Its Fiscal Crisis | The Nation
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I'm sure Vichio can reply for himself, however, I just feel the need to point out that Lang, the writer of the memo that some erroneously took to show that WI was in surplus, himself indicated that they couldn't ignore the deficit and something had to be done to fix it. You can believe that Walker took the wrong approach to fix the 3.x billioin dollar deficit in the next fiscal period, but your opinion doesn't make other opinions wrong.

But ignoring it would have meant turning away eligible Medicaid clients, which was not an option, Lang said.
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PolitiFact Wisconsin | Rachel Maddow says Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year
 
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