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China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

With military bases in South Korea, Japan and The Phillipines primarily as well as other South East Asian countries I think Ozzland is the least of the Chinese worries.
 
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I also do not see the wisdom of poking everyone in the eye right now either. Does Obama think the answer to our problem is more war?

I really was never a fan of Newt's but when I see him state that he would attack Iran, he could forget about my vote.
 
I really was never a fan of Newt's but when I see him state that he would attack Iran, he could forget about my vote.

That's the problem with primary season.

Hell even Hillary Clinton 4 years ago said stuff like "we will totally obliterate them" just to appeal to the more hawkish in the democratic party.

Once they get into office that all changes of course, as does "meeting without pre-Conditions" ;)
 
Time to kick ass and spread some democracy...and I'm all out of democracy.
 
Under no circumstances should the U.S. show any weakness in the face of China whatsoever. With China becoming increasinly assertive in the South China Sea and other areas where they claim unreasonable boundaries with no basis in international law or for the rights of its neighbors, the U.S. needs to have a strong posture in the region. Also, as President Obama pointed out, the U.S. and Australia have long been allies who have fought side by side with one another. This is a smart move. President Obama finally does something right.
 
Canberra, Australia (CNN) -- President Barack Obama declared Thursday that the United States will take an expanded role in shaping the Asian Pacific region, with an increased military presence one step of that policy.

"Our enduring interests in the region demand our enduring presence in this region," Obama said in a speech to the Australian Parliament. "The United States is a Pacific power, and we are here to stay."

On Wednesday, his government announced an agreement with Australia that will expand military cooperation between the longtime allies and boost America's presence in the region.

Obama pledges U.S. military power in Pacific - CNN.com

What surprises me most is that there has been absolutely no public discussion at all of this issue. This is a highly provacative move. What are we. The disposable front line in case of attack???

F*ck you Julia Gillard. Why don't you just ask the US Administration to just "liberate" us and make us officially the 51st state.
 
Under no circumstances should the U.S. show any weakness in the face of China whatsoever. With China becoming increasinly assertive in the South China Sea and other areas where they claim unreasonable boundaries with no basis in international law or for the rights of its neighbors, the U.S. needs to have a strong posture in the region. Also, as President Obama pointed out, the U.S. and Australia have long been allies who have fought side by side with one another. This is a smart move. President Obama finally does something right.

I agree. Somehow BO stumbled into the first correct decision during this term in office.
 
I can't believe the Aussies are agreeing to this move.

Wouldn't war with China leave us with empty store shelves all across America?
 
Make no mistake, China has one goal in mind: build a military comparable to ours by first taking over the world economically.

Doesn't mean they will, but they want to. They have the supreme advantage because their people have no rights, and they have an endless supply of slave labor (which they used to build their Olympic facilities).
 
With military bases in South Korea, Japan and The Phillipines primarily as well as other South East Asian countries I think Ozzland is the least of the Chinese worries.

Apparently you didn't get the memo, the US closed it's military bases in the Philippines almost 20 years ago. We do still have some joint training that takes place there and rights to use some of their bases, since we have a defense agreement with them, but no active bases. We may still have a few listening posts and communications stations there, I don't know, I am not on the mailing list for them.

I really don't see why committing some of our troops to a longstanding and committed ally like Australia is such a problem. I have to say, this is one thing that I will not be criticizing BO about.
 
Under no circumstances should the U.S. show any weakness in the face of China whatsoever.

too late.

we depend on them to manufacture nearly everything for us, and we are heavily in debt to them.

we aren't weak militarily. however, it's a changing world, and there are great risks that don't involve number / placement of missiles.
 
Make no mistake, China has one goal in mind: build a military comparable to ours by first taking over the world economically.

Doesn't mean they will, but they want to. They have the supreme advantage because their people have no rights, and they have an endless supply of slave labor (which they used to build their Olympic facilities).


Got any proof of that?

From what I can tell China has every right to be nervous about the US putting troops in Australia as the US has been busy creating an Asian NATO to confront China (Southeast Asia: U.S. Completing Asian NATO To Confront China) and last year after the South Korean Cheonan incident to put the USS George Washington super carrier in China's EEZ (USS George Washington Visit Poses A Dilemma For China). In addition to this, there have been protests to stop the creation of another South Korean naval base for the US (US to use S. Korean base to project power against China? — RT) which has the capacity to hold "20 large destroyers, two aircraft carriers, two subs and [will] be outfitted with the Aegis ballistic missile defense system" in addition to this, the naval base will be "less than 300 miles away from the Chinese mainland." Thus, China has every right to be worried.
 
too late.

we depend on them to manufacture nearly everything for us, and we are heavily in debt to them.

we aren't weak militarily. however, it's a changing world, and there are great risks that don't involve number / placement of missiles.

I have never understood this. We are willing to show a big military presence but on the other hand are willing to further weaken ourselves by going further and further into debt.

IMO the economic threat from China is far more dangerous than the military one.
 
We sent 2,500 troops there at the REQUEST of the aussies, last I heard on NPR.


The situation is this...Australia is making China one of their primary trade partners...they are linking their economies. Which makes many aussies nervous, due to China's government, and history.

If anyone has a problem with this move, they might auta ask the Australians, first. At this point, we look to be nothing other than a concerned, and helpful ally.
 
We can not at this time afford to be the world's watch dog. If Australia has concerns that deep, don't enter into the agreements.
 
I have never understood this. We are willing to show a big military presence but on the other hand are willing to further weaken ourselves by going further and further into debt.

IMO the economic threat from China is far more dangerous than the military one.

not to mention the fact that they produce most of the tech infrastructure that we depend on for everything.

one doesn't have to delve too far into conspiracy nuttery to envision a scenario in which foreign powers who build all of the computers could have a backdoor into every piece of high tech hardware on the planet.

i don't want a trade war or any other kind of war with China. however, i think it's in the interest of national security that we consider making more of our sensitive tech domestically.
 
We can not at this time afford to be the world's watch dog. If Australia has concerns that deep, don't enter into the agreements.

Oh, I agree on this...I was just replying more to people who thought we were doing this to poke the chinese in the eye.
 
We sent 2,500 troops there at the REQUEST of the aussies, last I heard on NPR.

Australia has agreed to host a full US Marine task force in the coming years, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced at a news conference with US President Barack Obama in Canberra.

Many Australians are not happy about this. There has been no public discussion/input preceeding this announcement. Why would any sovereign country in times of peace allow another country’s military unit to be stationed on their own soil?

More “peace initiatives” from Mr. Nobel Peace Prize. You're a bloody idiot Obama. Piss off. We don't need your provocation here.
 
Sky News: Obama addresses federal parliament

Part of Obama's address to our Members in Parliament.

Mr Obama says the 60-year-old ANZUS alliance between the US and Australia has never been stronger, and says America is turning its attention to the Asia Pacific region.
'As President, I've therefore made a deliberate and strategic decision - as a Pacific nation, the United States will play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future, by upholding core principles and in close partnership with allies and friends.'

he also said (referring to Australians)

'We have fought together, we have given lives together in every single major conflict of the past 100 years, every single one.'

Yes. Yes we have. So perhaps he can explain to us Loyal Aussies why he is so willing to use us knowing full well the tensions it will create in this provocative move.
 
Sky News: Obama addresses federal parliament

Part of Obama's address to our Members in Parliament.



he also said (referring to Australians)



Yes. Yes we have. So perhaps he can explain to us Loyal Aussies why he is so willing to use us knowing full well the tensions it will create in this provocative move.

You think the Chinese are going to attack you?

I do think I understand your feeling, though. To be honest, it's inconceivable that the U.S. would allow another country -- ANY other country -- to establish a military base on U.S. soil. Americans would go nuts.
 
Why do we need yet another military base paid for by the federal MasterCard? Why in Australia?

and, how would we feel about Chinese military bases in say for example, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and Canada? Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it feels.
 
You think the Chinese are going to attack you?

I do think I understand your feeling, though. To be honest, it's inconceivable that the U.S. would allow another country -- ANY other country -- to establish a military base on U.S. soil. Americans would go nuts.
Australians are for the most part very easy to get along with. We have a good relationship with our American friends and i would hope we continue to do so. No doubt the Marines will be welcomed and embraced by the Australian Public, afterall it's not their decision to be based here but i can assure you there are Australians who are very unhappy with the US and Australian Governments at the moment.

The enemies of the US are not necessarily all enemies of Australia, but they will be now.
 
Got any proof of that?

From what I can tell China has every right to be nervous about the US putting troops in Australia as the US has been busy creating an Asian NATO to confront China (Southeast Asia: U.S. Completing Asian NATO To Confront China) and last year after the South Korean Cheonan incident to put the USS George Washington super carrier in China's EEZ (USS George Washington Visit Poses A Dilemma For China). In addition to this, there have been protests to stop the creation of another South Korean naval base for the US (US to use S. Korean base to project power against China? — RT) which has the capacity to hold "20 large destroyers, two aircraft carriers, two subs and [will] be outfitted with the Aegis ballistic missile defense system" in addition to this, the naval base will be "less than 300 miles away from the Chinese mainland." Thus, China has every right to be worried.

If the Chinese and their allies weren't so provocative with both their words and deeds, it wouldn't be necessary. Most of the states in the region are very concerned, and rightly so, with the actions of China's government. Even traditional ally Burma has shown some trepidation regarding China of late. China has territorial disputes with nearly everyone one of its neighbors, some of them with absolutely no basis in law and common sense whatsoever. China's rhetoric of late, especially in both the East China Sea and the South China Sea demands action on the part of the other states in the region. Most of them WANT U.S. presense due to their fears of China.
 
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